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National Emblem (PE1826)

Thursday 29 October 2020 Public Petitions Committee About 09:30 Petitions 6 contributions · 5 speakers

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6 contributions
Johann Lamont Lab The Convener · Glasgow
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We now move to the second and final new petition for consideration. PE1826 calls for the introduction of a new national emblem of Scotland and is by Catherine Cooper. The petition calls for the Scottish Government to facilitate a national conversation to identify and adopt an additional official emblem for Scotland. The Scottish Government’s submission states:

“Scottish Ministers believe that consideration of any further national emblems should be arrived at informally as need dictates and should not be led by the Scottish Government or by any political party.”

The petitioner’s submission recognises the Scottish Government’s stance, but argues that her petition is not about party politics; it intends to align people “behind a common cause” and develop

“a shared cultural vision for Scotland.”

I am now looking for comments on the petition. My observation is that I am not sure that there is any means by which it is possible to develop a shared cultural vision for Scotland. People will have their own versions of what their society should aspire to.

I was interested in the commentary from the petitioner, which seemed to be much more about dealing with difficult times and how people pull together in difficult times. I respect that, but it does not feel to me to be about emblems and symbols; it was about how tough things are and how we can find a common endeavour, which is important in local communities. During the pandemic there have been good examples of people pulling together, so in my head I have separated the petitioner’s very interesting commentary from the aim of the petition, which is to establish a new national symbol.

David Torrance SNP Kirkcaldy
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The petition is interesting. There are diverse views out there from members of the public on the subject of an additional official emblem for Scotland, but would they ever agree? The key point is that the Scottish Government does not support the action that is called for, so I am afraid that we should close the petition under rule 15.7 of the standing orders.

Maurice Corry Con West Scotland
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I agree with David Torrance that we should close the petition under rule 15.7 of the standing orders. All the work that the petitioner has put in and the comments on the petition are interesting. I think that it is something that grows organically—for example, the emblem of the thistle has been progressed by the Scottish Rugby Union—so there is not much more that we can do. We now know the views of Scottish Government, so I am of the mind to close the petition.

Gail Ross SNP Caithness, Sutherland and Ross
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I understand what the convener said at the start about separating the aim of the petition from the discourse that followed it. You are absolutely right about communities coming together, which they have done in spectacular fashion, but the petitioner pinpoints a lot of social issues that I am not sure would be solved by a new national emblem. We have to ask such questions as, “Is an emblem needed? Would it make it make a difference? Where would it be used? Who would use it?” and “Would it replace anything?” Those things tend to grow organically with community involvement. I would equate that to what has been done in Caithness—we now have our own county flag, which was chosen through a competition run in the schools, with the community voting on the entries. That was nothing to do with Government or local authorities; they did not push it in any way, although they supported it.

The petitioner said that it

“is not about party politics”,

which is absolutely right, because if the Scottish Government said that it was introducing a new national emblem, a lot of people would think that it was about party politics, given where we are with the conversation about the constitution. I agree with my fellow committee members that it is an interesting petition and certainly one that the wider population might give cognisance to, but given the Scottish Government’s submission, we cannot take it much further. I agree to close the petition.

Tom Mason Con North East Scotland
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The petition seeks to promote unity, but if there were a forced discussion on an emblem, it would go in the opposite direction; people would become very entrenched in their various views and it would be self-defeating. Taking the issue forward at the moment would not be a good idea and, as indicated by other members, we should close the petition.

Johann Lamont Lab The Convener · Glasgow
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There is a consensus recognising that what lies behind the petition is quite different from the debate about a national symbol, and a number of colleagues made the point that if the Government conducted such a conversation, there would be a degree of suspicion about it. It feels to me that it is something that should emerge from communities, rather than being done to communities.

As I said, I think that we respect the motivation behind the petition, but I think that we are agreeing that we will close the petition under rule 15.7 of the standing orders, on the basis that the Scottish Government does not support the action called for in the petition and that we think that it is not the role of the Scottish Government to lead that conversation. However, we thank the petitioner very much for submitting the petition and we remind them that there is an opportunity to revisit the petition in a year’s time if they feel that that would be worth while. We thank them for raising the matter for our consideration.

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