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Co-location of General Medical Practices and Community Pharmacies (PE1492)

Tuesday 4 March 2014 Public Petitions Committee About 11:00 Petitions 19 contributions · 6 speakers

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David Stewart Lab The Convener · Highlands and Islands
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The sixth current petition is PE1492, by Alan Kennedy, on co-location of general medical practices and community pharmacies. Members have before them a note by the clerk and the submissions. Members will be aware that, when the petition was first discussed, I made it clear that I had been heavily involved, particularly in the Western Isles, and to a certain extent in Caithness, where the situation had come to a head.

When Mr Kennedy appeared before the committee, he promised to give us some further points. I felt that he made a number of powerful points in his submission about encouraging general practitioner practice co-location with willing pharmacies, where the community supports that.

Alex Neil made a robust response to the committee, which referred to the Wilson Barber review—a review that was extremely helpful and moved things on in a positive way. However, there are still a number of outstanding issues and consultation is still going on to try to find a way forward. There are particular issues in rural and remote areas; the situation is probably different in our cities and larger towns, although I am sure that members have examples where that is not the case. I had an example in Benbecula where a well-functioning and well-respected GP surgery was providing a pharmacy service when a pharmacy application came in. The approval structure for that is bizarre, and the cabinet secretary would probably agree with me that it is a strange way of operating. If a new pharmacy is set up, it will mean that the practice will lose staff and perhaps GPs. The key point is that the community is almost 100 per cent opposed to that.

There are wider issues about whether the GP contract effectively allows profits from pharmacy services to be reinvested in the business, but I do not want to take the committee off on a tangent. Although it is a complicated issue, I thought that it would be useful if I gave a quick summary of my understanding of where we are at.

Chic Brodie SNP South Scotland
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I had a meeting with Community Pharmacy Scotland and, to dispense with the notion of the conflict of interest that was raised previously, there are much wider issues. I would be somewhat concerned if we were simply to close the petition without getting more information from the consultation. There are significant issues that need to be addressed, from the price of drugs to participation of medical practices in dispensing. Perhaps we will discuss those in this week’s debate in the chamber. However, I would be very much against closing the petition at the moment.

David Stewart Lab The Convener · Highlands and Islands
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Just to clarify, I do not think that anything that I said suggested that we should close the petition.

Jackson Carlaw Con West Scotland
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We took evidence from, among others, Jean Kerr, who is chair of the Cumbrae public reference group. The situation in Cumbrae continues to deteriorate daily. Jean Kerr described to us how a three-partner GP practice had closed on the island as a result of the ending of the GP dispensing practice. At huge expense, a locum is now providing services without being resident on the island. NHS Ayrshire and Arran advertised and interviews have just taken place, but none of the candidates for the GP practice has been deemed to be satisfactory. I understand that the health board will re-advertise the opportunity later in the year. Meanwhile, the locum facility will carry on without overnight cover. It is being suggested that the dispensing of drugs is not being properly overseen as a result of the lack of GP discretion on the island.

All the issues are still live. The number of cases is likely to diminish, because the number of practices remaining is declining. We have always accepted that there is an argument for pharmacies to open up separately where community circumstances change. However, even though the number of cases will diminish, I suspect that there will always be examples of communities in Scotland where co-location is the appropriate way for a service to be provided. I do not think that the way in which the rules are currently applied works in favour of common sense or to the advantage of particular communities.

All that the authors of the petition seek to ensure is that the interests of the community prevail, rather than other interests that are applied without regard to the circumstances.

Chic Brodie SNP South Scotland
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The point that Jackson Carlaw has just made with regard to Cumbrae, where no interviewee was successful and the proposed income of the next set of interviewees will increase, makes me question why it is difficult for stand-alone GPs to operate with the fairly substantial income that is being proposed, yet previously, when the dispensary was there, they were quite happy to work within that context. That is what generates my concern about the conflict of interest.

I take the points that have been raised, but there is certainly a lot more work to be done on the matter.

David Stewart Lab The Convener · Highlands and Islands
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I ask members to look at the last page of Alex Neil’s very lengthy and quite helpful letter. He states:

“Our Vision and Action Plan, published last September, will further empower NHS Boards to pro-actively plan through their Pharmaceutical Care Services Plans. This will enable Boards to plan and procure NHS pharmaceutical care based on the identified needs of local communities. Final proposals on this issue will be subject to further consideration and consultation.”

That will be a step in the right direction. The matter has not been finalised yet, because there is still consultation to be done. I think that the petitioner mentioned that, although he hoped that he would be asked to submit his views, he has not been.

John Wilson SNP Central Scotland
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That is the point that I was going to raise, convener. The assurances in the cabinet secretary’s letter fail to live up to the committee’s expectations. The petitioner has rightly identified the statement that was made in the closing remarks last time the committee discussed the petition. We asked the Scottish Government to seek the petitioner’s views when it conducts its review of the provision of community pharmacy services, but the petitioner has highlighted that the Scottish Government has not directly consulted him on the issue. It is concerning that the committee made a clear recommendation to the Scottish Government to consult the petitioner but that that request from the committee was ignored.

The petitioner also raises in the response a number of concerns about how communities will be genuinely consulted on the issue. If he as the petitioner had to be advised by a third party that the consultation was taking place, how will members of the general public, particularly those who live in communities that are facing the very difficulties that the petitioner is trying to highlight, have known about it? It might be worth while for us to write to the Scottish Government to ask why it did not consult the petitioner directly. In the annex to the Government’s consultation, there is a list of the consultees that have been directly contacted. We should also ask how it intends to ensure that the widest possible consultation takes place, particularly with communities that are directly affected.

David Stewart Lab The Convener · Highlands and Islands
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There is another option for the committee. The Health and Sport Committee intends to hear evidence on the Government’s “Prescription for Excellence: A Vision and Action Plan for the Right Pharmaceutical Care through Integrated Partnerships and Innovation” in the coming months. One option is to ask that our work be transferred to the Health and Sport Committee, given that it is undertaking an inquiry. What are members’ views on that?

John Wilson SNP Central Scotland
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I would be keen for us to find out when the Health and Sport Committee intends to carry out its inquiry into the delivery of excellence in this area. If it is, as suggested, two or three months down the line, it might be useful for us to take on board the issues that have been raised today, write to the Scottish Government about them and try to get responses before we refer the petition to the Health and Sport Committee.

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David Stewart Lab The Convener · Highlands and Islands
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To clarify, I think that there will be a one-off evidence session rather than a fully fledged inquiry.

Angus MacDonald SNP Falkirk East
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I am happy to go along with John Wilson’s suggestion that we seek further clarification before we refer the petition to the Health and Sport Committee.

David Stewart Lab The Convener · Highlands and Islands
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Angus MacDonald makes a good point. Why do we not write to the convener of the Health and Sport Committee and clarify exactly what it has in mind? If it ends up being a fully fledged inquiry, perhaps that is a different aspect for the committee to consider. That is a good point. We will do that.

Anne McTaggart Lab Glasgow
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I agree with that, but can we find out further information before we pass the petition over?

David Stewart Lab The Convener · Highlands and Islands
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Will John Wilson summarise his view on that?

John Wilson SNP Central Scotland
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My proposal is that we hold on to the petition and write to the Scottish Government to seek responses to the questions that have been raised. However, if the Health and Sport Committee is dealing with the issue in a one-off inquiry prior to our receiving responses from the Scottish Government, it may be useful to transfer to that committee our information to date and ask it to consider that in its inquiry.

David Stewart Lab The Convener · Highlands and Islands
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Does Chic Brodie agree with that course of action?

David Stewart Lab The Convener · Highlands and Islands
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We will pursue that course of action. When we have received a full reply from the Scottish Government and the Health and Sport Committee, we can analyse the issue again.

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