Petition PE1354, by Stewart Mackenzie, is on legal education in secondary schools. I ask for members’ views on the petition.
Official Report · Committee
Current Petitions
Citizenship Education (PE1354)
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Choose an MSP to read only their contributions- Rhona Brankin Lab 4
- Nigel Don SNP 2
- Murdo Fraser Con 1
- Robin Harper Green 1
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I am happy to support the petition. Mr Mackenzie is a constituent of mine and an assiduous petitioner of the Public Petitions Committee, always in defence of valuable causes, not least this one on legal education in secondary schools. I have seen the excellent response from Consumer Focus Scotland, which is extremely comprehensive, covers the issues well and makes the case strongly as to why there is a need for legal education to be built into the curriculum.I am aware that we do not have in Scotland a mandatory curriculum; it would be a departure to go down that road and it is not something that I propose. However, Consumer Focus Scotland concludes its submission with helpful comments about the way in which such citizenship education could fit in with the objectives of the curriculum for excellence. I suggest respectfully to committee members that that might be a way in which to take on the issue and to take it to the education minister, if that has not been done, to see how the proposal could fit in with the development of the curriculum for excellence in secondary schools.
I cannot disagree with a word that Murdo Fraser said, but we might consider another aspect of the issue. As I understand it, education is not about ensuring that people know things; although some useful things have to be taught along the way, it is fundamentally about people understanding that there are ways of solving problems and getting the information that they want, because there are structures and logic out there. Therefore, citizenship education should be about ensuring that people know about the legal and advice processes. Only the most expert lawyer knows his way around consumer law—those of us who have studied it know that it changes like everything else and one rapidly gets out of date. Teaching people the details of law is surely not the primary issue; it is about people learning to understand how society operates, what kind of information they are looking for, where to find it and what help they might need.
Once they know how to read, that is. Laughter. I am sorry—
No, you are absolutely right; that was not a flippant comment and you should not take it back. You are right that those things can be learned only once we know how to read.
The suggestion is that we continue the petition.
We should continue it, but subjects such as modern studies encompass quite a few of the areas that have been mentioned. To expand on the ideas on citizenship that have come before us, I add that the old social and vocational skills course was adopted by one school as a compulsory subject for all students, on the basis that it introduced them to the kind of skills that they would need and some of the knowledge implicit in a citizenship curriculum. The vehicles to train teachers and ways of teaching exist. Modern studies is all about developing the very skills that Nigel Don mentioned. Sadly, the subject is not taught in every Scottish school and many schools do not have heads of modern studies departments. I no longer have an interest, but I am a former modern studies teacher.
Speaking as a former modern studies teacher also, I could not possibly comment.The suggestion is that we continue with the petition and forward information to the Government. Are we agreed?Members indicated agreement.
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