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Railway Infrastructure and Services (Inverness, Thurso and Wick) (PE894)

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Patrick Harvie Green The Convener · Glasgow
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Item 2 on the agenda is consideration of petitions PE894 and PE1035. We have a paper on PE894, which was submitted by the Association of Caithness Community Councils. The petition—a copy of which has been provided for members—calls on the Scottish Parliament to consider investment in infrastructure, rolling stock and timetabling as part of a strategic root-and-branch review of the provision of rail services between Inverness, Thurso and Wick.We have received a response from the Scottish Government, in which we are asked whether we would like to receive an informal briefing from officials on the Scottish transport appraisal guidance. We can also consider any other action that we wish to take. I invite comments on the petition or on the Government's response.

Rob Gibson SNP Highlands and Islands
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I declare an interest as a member of the Dornoch link action group.I question the substance on which the Government's advice is based. Paragraph 5 of the committee's paper states:"The Committee agreed to write again to the Minister to raise concerns regarding the methodology used to calculate the benefit to cost ratio for a new rail link. Members also questioned whether the full social and socioeconomic benefits of the Dornoch rail link project to the north of Scotland had been included in the calculation of the project's benefit to cost ratio."I have some freedom of information material that is relevant, which I would like members to have a look at. It will be helpful to pass round copies of it so that I can refer to particular paragraphs.Members will receive a copy of three e-mails, which start at the bottom of the second page and continue up the page from there. They were all written on 9 January 2006. Initially, a request was made to find out what the remits of the Halcrow and Scott Wilson studies were. That e-mail is in Arial type and was sent from a parliamentary e-mail account—the names have been blocked out. The next one is in Roman type and starts, "Gents". Discussions were held over Christmas 1995 about the proposed rail link. Near the top of "Page 2 of 3", the author of the e-mail, who I think was the chairman of the Highlands and Islands strategic transport partnership, says:"What this all boils down to is that we don't have any vaguely authoritative information (that I'm aware of) on the likely costs with which to comment or respond to this continued campaign.As you'll know we, as a steering group, decided that Scott Wilson shouldn't look at the Dornoch Costs under Room for Growth. This was a pragmatic decision, based on common sense, and almost certainly the correct one. However when we release the study briefs to Mr Gibson's office (as we'll have to) and they realise that the Dornoch issue was not specifically ruled out there, then we'll need to fall back on the minute of the steering group meeting and explain our thinking."The e-mail goes on, and the final paragraph says that there are "dedicated campaigners" and that"The bottom-line is that this issue isn't going to go away".What worries me is that there is no sense of any detailed cost benefit analysis, although one paragraph suggests who could be asked to do such an analysis.If members look at page 1, they will see an e-mail from a"Rail Policy & Projects OfficerArea 2-G DocksideScottish Executive".The first sentence is:"Identifying the costs is only half the issue."A section of the next sentence has been blocked out, but it ends:"whatever figure you come up with, as long as they don't have to quantify the benefits."I am extremely concerned. The information in these e-mails suggests to me that there has been agreement in the steering group involving Highlands and Islands Enterprise and Highlands and Islands transport partnership, and agreement among civil servants in the Scottish Executive, that they would not consider the petitioners' proposal. The e-mails probably reveal that no detailed analysis of the benefits was done. It therefore seems to me that the minister—whose answers we are now considering—may well have received information that is far from accurate. In other words, he is not misleading us but has been misinformed in respect of the detail that would be required in considering a major transport project.I ask that we discuss this material with the minister, and ask him to tell us in detail what work was done, so that we can accurately estimate the costs of the proposal that the Association of Caithness Community Councils has made. I also ask that we keep the petition open to ensure that the committee receives the information that it requires. The e-mails that I have discussed appear to me to be an attempt to suggest that it would be common sense not to consider the proposal because it would cost far too much, and to suggest that a cost of £100 million would be outrageous.We have to compare the proposal with other transport projects. Analysis is not done on the basis of the approach that is described in those e-mails. In this age of climate change, it beggars belief that we can ignore the potential of railways in any part of the country. The proposed link ought to be part of the modernisation that we hope for in the rest of the network, but it seems to have been ruled out on the basis of rather limited—indeed, scanty—information.

Patrick Harvie Green The Convener · Glasgow
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I appreciate your bringing us the information that you received via a freedom-of-information request, but I do not want members to feel that we have to respond right now. It would be reasonable for committee members to have a more detailed look at the e-mails. We can then consider our response.Which organisation received and responded to the FOI request?

Rob Gibson SNP Highlands and Islands
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The FOI request was made—I can give members the papers—by Mark Norton, who is the convener of the Dornoch link action group. The letter to him was delivered on 13 May this year, and it was from Transport Scotland. The letter details the information that Transport Scotland was prepared to release, and it also says that other information exists that Transport Scotland was not prepared to release because it concerned the organisation's professional ability to give advice to ministers.

Patrick Harvie Green The Convener · Glasgow
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We have to consider whether matters had moved on after those e-mails were written and before the minister responded to us. The Government response that we have just received may take account of recent developments. Obviously, the question will have to be explored; it cannot be answered through speculation alone. Do members have any comments on how we should explore this matter further?

Cathy Peattie Lab Falkirk East
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I have no problem with holding back and taking another look. The point has been well made that, in this time of climate change, basing a decision on whether to go ahead with a railway line simply on costs is not the best way forward. I do not think that the minister's letter helps at all, particularly in the light of the e-mail that Rob Gibson has just put before us, which I would like more time to consider. We have to decide what to cover in our inquiries; we could consider the issue as part of our rail inquiry.

Patrick Harvie Green The Convener · Glasgow
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Without wishing to pre-empt any discussion of our work programme, I think that if it is possible to have a face-to-face discussion, we should build that into the meetings that have already been scheduled instead of trying to set up a specific meeting. Are members comfortable with exploring the issue in writing with the minister before we get to that stage? I suspect that any face-to-face discussion with him will have to take place after the summer recess. Are members content with the general approach?Members indicated agreement.

Rob Gibson SNP Highlands and Islands
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I am content as long as it keeps the petition alive and as long as the intention is to get a proper analysis of the costs.

Patrick Harvie Green The Convener · Glasgow
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The petition will remain open for the time being.I also suggest that we accept the offer of a briefing on STAG. I do not think that would do any harm.

Rob Gibson SNP Highlands and Islands
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I do not think so, either.

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