The first new petition is PE1218, from Margot Russell, which calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to bring forward a timed and costed programme of works for the grade separation of the Sheriffhall roundabout on the A720 to alleviate pressure and traffic problems on the new A68 Dalkeith bypass. The constituency member for the area, Rhona Brankin, has come along to speak to the petition, and I invite her to make a statement.
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New Petitions
Sheriffhall Roundabout (PE1218)
Speakers
Choose an MSP to read only their contributions- Frank McAveety Lab 4
- Rhona Brankin Lab 2
- Nigel Don SNP 1
- Bill Butler Lab 1
- John Wilson SNP 1
- Robin Harper Green 1
- Marlyn Glen Lab 1
- Nanette Milne Con 1
- Bashir Ahmad SNP 1
The record
13 contributionsSheriffhall roundabout is a well-known problem roundabout. It is used by 70,000 vehicles a day, and it is the only junction on the Edinburgh city bypass that is not grade separated. The problems affecting it cause major and serious hold-ups and have an impact on my constituents, many of whom work in Edinburgh, and on economic development in Midlothian, the city of Edinburgh, East Lothian and West Lothian. I will give you a flavour of the developments that are going to be taking place in the areas around the Sheriffhall junction. In Midlothian alone, by 2022, there will be around an additional 9,000 housing units, and there is scheduled to be an additional 81 hectares of development land, plus some land that will be developed at Millerhill, which could include a waste management facility. There is a potential expansion to 1,000 spaces at the Sheriffhall park-and-ride facility. Further, in Shawfair, which is an area to the south of Edinburgh, a 130-bedroom hotel is scheduled to open by 2009. There will also be additional retail development, and there is a proposal for a private hospital.The decisions of a number of local authorities will impact on the situation. The City of Edinburgh Council is planning some housing developments on the scale of 2,800 units in the area around the Sheriffhall roundabout. Also in that council's area, the centre for biomedical research is due to open at Little France, which is close to the roundabout. Many of the people who will work there, as well as at Edinburgh royal infirmary, will come from my constituency. Plans have been submitted to the council for a care home and a care village in the Edmonstone estate, which is near the roundabout.The west Edinburgh planning framework review has secured allocations to safeguard airport expansion, land for office headquarters and a new site for Scotland's national showground. There could also be an international business gateway in that area. Again, those developments will draw traffic from Midlothian, East Lothian and the Borders, which will have an effect on Sheriffhall.East Lothian has plans for more than 7,000 additional housing units. Many people from East Lothian travel to work in Edinburgh. Further, more than 71 hectares of land in East Lothian is designated as development land. There is the potential for Scottish Borders Council to allow the building of 8,400 houses, in addition to the current supply of 5,290 units. Some of that housing will have a regular impact on Sheriffhall junction.A comparison of the travel-to-work data in the 1991 and 2001 censuses is interesting. In 1991, 1,600 people travelled to Edinburgh from the Borders for work, but by 2001 that figure was 2,803, which represents a 75 per cent increase. That trend is likely to increase.The Sheriffhall roundabout is already a major pinch point for many people, and the situation will only get worse in the years to come. I urge the committee to consider seriously our petition in favour of grade separation.
I do not want to pounce on this petition, so I ask members not to take my comments in the spirit in which they might appear to be made. It is the third current petition about a matter that, although important, is a localised transport issue, so I am a little concerned that we are turning into a planning appeals committee—although that is not quite how Rhona Brankin is approaching the matter. We have a petition for a slip road on the A90 up by Portlethen and all sorts of demands about the A82. I am slightly concerned that, if we continue to take such petitions, we will be doing something different from what the Public Petitions Committee should do. I am not saying that we should ignore the petition or not come up with sensible answers to it, but perhaps we should draw some kind of line around what we will consider in future. Otherwise, every pressure group around the country that wants a roundabout, traffic lights or a bypass could come to us to air its grievances. I understand that, but it is not what we are here for.I do not really want to say anything about Sheriffhall because it is not on my patch, although I understand the problem because I have driven on the road. However, I am a bit concerned about the general principle of what we are doing.
I appreciate the tremendous pressures that Rhona Brankin has outlined at the location concerned and the area that surrounds the same. However, Nigel Don has a point. My understanding—I am a tiro member of the committee and ask for the convener's advice on the matter—is that we can press a general case on the national transport policy that the Scottish Government follows through Transport Scotland but we should not consider requests in respect of particular putative projects, however serious and legitimate they are. There is a problem there.
I do not wish to disagree with my two colleagues' statements, but the Public Petitions Committee exists to serve a purpose and may be regarded as part of the process whereby local communities air their grievances against decision makers at whatever level. We should consider the petition because the petitioners have got together and submitted a petition to the committee and, until such time as we have refined or developed our role, we should accept and try to deal with the majority of the petitions that are presented to us.As has been mentioned on several occasions, the committee is a unique part of the parliamentary and democratic process in that people can come straight to it if they feel aggrieved at local or national decisions. In the period that I have been a member of the committee, it has dealt with a number of localised issues and managed to get results. Because of that success, more petitioners will ask the committee for assistance.It is incumbent on the committee to consider the petition. I have a number of suggestions for whom we should contact on it. We should contact the Scottish Government, Transport Scotland and the local authorities that have been referred to—East Lothian Council, Midlothian Council, the City of Edinburgh Council and Scottish Borders Council—to find out their views on what the impact would be on the through-flow of traffic and the developments that are proposed in the areas concerned if the upgrade on the roundabout that is being petitioned for did not happen. It is a matter of raising the issue and seeing what happens. In many cases, we should have the right, if not to question decisions that various agencies and local authorities throughout Scotland make, to get explanations of why they were taken.
I must declare an interest as a list MSP for the Lothians, including Edinburgh. That, of course, places some restrictions on my observations.I agree with John Wilson that an issue exists. The national issue is that there could be greater clarity about how the Government and local authorities work out their strategies for developing transport. I am not talking only about roads—I am also talking about public transport and the design of communities so that we can reduce the number of cars on our roads and provide for more, much better and cheaper public transport in the future. I back John Wilson's call for the matter to be referred to the organisations that he mentioned in order to seek greater clarification on and understanding of whether the decisions that were taken about Sheriffhall roundabout were based on reasonable assumptions and whether there is a case for an overpass.
Perhaps the committee needs to consider urgently whether we should look at petitions on local matters. As a new member of the committee, I am not clear about that. It would be a good idea to seek clarity on the working out of transport issues—we all have our own agendas in that context—but an issue has been raised and given publicity, and I am not sure where we should go from here. Practically speaking, if Transport Scotland has recently looked at and made changes to Sheriffhall roundabout—perhaps Rhona Brankin can give us an update on that—there does not seem to be much point in writing to it again. However, I agree that we should ask for clarity on the national position on transport.
I am inclined to go along with what John Wilson said. Given that we have received other petitions on dual carriageway junctions, for example on the A90, perhaps a national issue exists. Why is there not a grade-separated junction at Sheriffhall, on the A90 and, I dare say, on several other roads? Perhaps we should get a policy from Transport Scotland on the grade separation of such heavily used junctions.
There are three or four issues. The initial discussion was about how we organise things, on which members have tried to get clarity. To use a cliché, we are in a chicken-and-egg situation, because certain issues cannot be raised, which is a difficulty. People say that they cannot get a petition through the system if it deals with a local issue, although the reality is that it is difficult for the committee to turn down dealing with such petitions, given the legislation that created the Parliament. We will always face that dilemma. However, we can try to get an awareness of whether we can pursue national issues as a result of petitions on local matters. The clerks can work on that over the next period.To be fair to members, two or three good suggestions have been made. Nanette Milne talked about considering the principles of grade separation. How do Transport Scotland and other agencies arrive at priorities in considering grade separation, including on the road that Sheriffhall roundabout is on? John Wilson spoke about writing to organisations about the impact on planned new developments, and I think that Robin Harper touched on assessments of environmental impacts. We must ensure that assessments are based on the appropriate information.From what committee members have said, I think that they want to keep the petition open, progress the recommendations that John Wilson identified and Nanette Milne touched on, and try to get responses. I do not know whether that is a reasonable suggestion that might assist local discussion of the issue.
Yes. The decision has been taken not to put in grade separation at this stage. Our submission is that the improvements that have been made at Sheriffhall are not solving the congestion and that, as Sheriffhall is a major part of Scotland's infrastructure, the failure to implement grade separation will not only be inconvenient but will have a major impact on the economy.
Thanks very much.
Members are divided on whether we should be considering the petition. The committee should consider petitions on issues that affect the general public at the moment, but this petition is about what will happen in the future.
The reality is that because we have a principle whereby the clerk works with petitioners to ensure that petitions are admissible, most petitions are admissible if they are framed in the correct language. That is the right principle to adopt, and it means that regardless of whether a petition deals with a present-day situation or a projected future situation, or tries to influence the debate on a policy area, we must consider it.Many ordinary members of the public in Scotland come to the Public Petitions Committee. Constituency and regional members use the committee to highlight particular issues. I do not think that we can resolve matters, but we will take on board what members have said about some of the practical issues and ask Fergus Cochrane to employ the wisdom of Solomon as he tries to reconcile those contested issues for our benefit.Ultimately, how we interpret a petition is down to the judgment that we as members of the Public Petitions Committee make on a given day. Some of us might want to pursue an issue, whereas others might be more protective of the committee's role. We will take on board what members have said and try to make progress. The suggestions that have been made are helpful.I thank Rhona Brankin for her time.
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