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Methadone Prescriptions (PE789)

Wednesday 8 December 2004 Public Petitions Committee Petitions 45 contributions · 9 speakers

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Michael McMahon Lab The Convener · Hamilton North and Bellshill
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Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 19th meeting in 2004 of the Public Petitions Committee. I have not received any apologies this morning, so perhaps the members who are not yet here will arrive at some point.The first agenda item is consideration of new petitions, the first of which is PE789, in the name of Eric Brown. This petition calls on the Scottish Parliament to take a view on the need for regulation to ensure that methadone prescriptions are taken by the patient while supervised by a suitably qualified medical practitioner. I welcome to the meeting Mr Brown, who is accompanied by Billy Clelland. Mr Brown, you have three minutes to give a brief statement to the committee after which we will discuss the issue.

Eric Brown
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First, I want to say that giving such a large quantity of methadone to addicts is like giving a bottle of whisky to an alcoholic and expecting him to take two nips of it a day. Because of the nature of addiction, it is highly unlikely that a drug addict would take the prescribed amount.I have spoken to numerous doctors and health officials, who freely admit that methadone gets sold on. Last year, figures from the General Register Office for Scotland showed that there were 87 deaths from methadone. That is absolutely shocking. In a previous inquiry into methadone-related deaths in Scotland, 30 of the 56 deaths referred to it had methadone cited on the death certificate and 45 per cent of those 56 people were not even on a methadone prescription. The way in which methadone is prescribed is shocking. Doctors freely admit that it is getting sold on and yet they prescribe quantities like 700ml a week. Some doctors will even prescribe a month's supply in one go.I lost my son through methadone that had gone into the illicit market. Two individuals were arrested for supplying the drug to my son, but the fiscal's office seems to be dragging its heels on taking them to court. The figures speak for themselves: 87 lives have been lost. The East Lothian drug and alcohol action team's objective is to cut drug-related deaths by 25 per cent by 2004-05.

This year, up to June, there have been six deaths in East Lothian. That figure should be compared with the total of only two deaths last year. If we want to cut the number of deaths, methadone should be prescribed only on a daily basis and consumed at a pharmacy. We have to find a way in which to do that. It would help the addict to stabilise, as they would not be able to take more than their daily dose. I imagine that that would make it easier to reduce their intake and, hopefully, to get them to become drug free. The figures speak for themselves. I have taken them from the Scottish Executive website and from the information and statistics division of the NHS. I cannot say much more than that, although I should perhaps mention some of the reports on the subject and the meetings that I have had with Jim Sherval of the national health service and the community drug-problem service—everybody admits that there is a problem with the present set-up. Lives would be saved if methadone were prescribed on a daily-dose basis and consumed on pharmacy premises. It would have helped to prevent the 87 deaths that occurred last year because of methadone.

Michael McMahon Lab The Convener · Hamilton North and Bellshill
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Thanks, Mr Brown. I open the meeting up to questions from members of the committee.

Sandra White SNP Glasgow
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Good morning, Eric. My sympathies go out to you and your family and to all the other people who have lost kids to methadone and drug overdoses. From the committee papers on your petition, I see that the Scottish Executive guidance on the dispensing of drugs sets out that some patients' consumption of methadone should be supervised. Your suggestion is that all those who are prescribed methadone should be supervised by a pharmacist or in some other way.

Eric Brown
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As far as I know, no doctor dispenses methadone in their surgery, yet doctors are paid £350 just to take a drug addict on to their books. The payment is meant to be an incentive to doctors to take on drug addicts, but as far as I can see it is a bribe. If a doctor is getting £350, why does he not dispense methadone in his surgery? After all, it is the doctor who prescribes the methadone.

Sandra White SNP Glasgow
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The Scottish Executive guidance says that some patients should be supervised in that way. It also mentions that people with a disability can get someone else to collect a prescription for them. The biggest problems seem to stem from prescriptions to cover holiday times. What is the background to the figure of 87 deaths? Do the biggest problems lie with the people who can get a month's supply and take an overdose or sell it on?

Eric Brown
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Generally, that is where the problem lies, as that is where large quantities are prescribed and dispensed in one go. When a larger quantity of methadone leaves a pharmacy, it is hard to get an accurate figure as to what happens to it. It was only recently that I was able to get the 2003 figures from the Registrar General of Scotland. Numerous advisory council reports have recommended that those on methadone should undergo a period of six months' supervision—indeed, that was a recommendation in the 2000-01 report I mentioned. Those recommendations were made by advisory councils but as yet they have not been implemented. Confidential inquiry reports, some of which date from 2000, have asked for action to be taken. As far as I can see, none of the recommended measures have been implemented and the deaths are still happening. I can understand it if someone dies when they inject heroin, but although doctors freely admit that methadone is being sold on, they still prescribe large amounts of it. The nature of addiction is that those people have trouble controlling what they are taking and the amounts they are taking. It is common knowledge that people sell methadone on to enable them to buy heroin. The report produced by Professor Neil McKeganey states that six out of 10 addicts are asking for detoxification rather than methadone prescriptions.

Mike Watson Ind Glasgow Cathcart
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I know from experience that in Glasgow the whole question of methadone prescriptions is controversial. I hear what you say. Your experience from the east of Scotland backs up our experience in the west.I am aware that how methadone is dispensed is controversial. A comment that you made earlier left me unclear about your position. You talked about doctors at their surgeries. I assume that the prescription is issued to someone who has been put on a course of methadone treatment and that that person takes the prescription to a chemist or a pharmacy where the methadone is issued. I know that there are all sorts of issues about whether it should be consumed on the premises or whether its consumption should be supervised. Some pharmacies in my constituency have a special booth so that methadone can be taken with an element of privacy. The problem is that there is evidence that some people put it into their mouth, leave the pharmacy, and immediately spit it into a receptacle so that it can be used by somebody else. As has been said, the Executive has told us that"for some patients, supervised consumption should be arranged with the most appropriate health professional, e.g. clinical nurse or community pharmacist".You state in your petition that you want there to be supervision by"a suitably qualified medical practitioner".By "medical practitioner" do you mean a doctor, or do you mean someone such as a clinical nurse or a community pharmacist?

Eric Brown
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I mean anyone who is qualified to dispense medicines. I do not have sufficient knowledge to know who is qualified to do that. I believe that nurses can dispense medicines.The figures that I have come across for Glasgow suggest that methadone deaths are dropping as a result of supervised consumption. I would like such a measure to be introduced not only Scotland-wide, but nationwide. I feel strongly that if a drug addict is put on a daily dose, it helps them. A drug addict who gets a prescription of 700ml can take as much of it as they want. Some people get a month's supply and they can take as much of it as they like. They use various tricks to get a reissue of a prescription. They might break a bottle of methadone in a brown paper bag and drain it through that. I am aware that people spit the methadone out into a receptacle. I have family who work in the Royal Edinburgh hospital. They use a stalling tactic when they dispense a daily dose of methadone. They say to the addict, "Hold on: we have a form for you to fill in." Or they check the person's mouth to make sure it is empty.

Mike Watson Ind Glasgow Cathcart
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That is fine. That answers my question. You want supervision to be carried out by somebody who is properly medically qualified to certify that the methadone has been consumed. There are currently no guidelines, but we could perhaps decide that we want the Executive to introduce guidelines on the matter.

Rosie Kane SSP Glasgow
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I say hello to Eric Brown and to Billy Clelland. Like Sandra White, I offer Eric my condolences for his experiences with his son. A lot of your expertise comes from that terrible reality.Like Mike Watson, I am aware from my area of Glasgow of what became known as methadone spit: people were spitting the methadone out into crisp pokes and selling it on when they left the pharmacy. My pharmacy sets aside a place for people to collect their methadone and take it with supervision. When I have been in there, I have always thought about what that means for a pharmacy in an area such as mine, which has quite a high dependency rate. It must place a strain on a business and on that pharmacy.Guidelines and proper, qualified staff to administer the methadone must be required. The guidelines that you suggest would cure many problems. For example, the pharmacy I mentioned is inundated at 10 in the morning by a queue of people who require their methadone. That must be difficult to oversee.When people are given a methadone prescription, do they have any support for gradual reduction? If a qualified individual administered methadone in a health centre, would that provide the possibility of supported reduction and the ability to leave a programme?

Eric Brown
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I have never come across anybody who does that. Most people who take methadone and the drug addicts to whom I have spoken are put on a prescription and stick there. If their records were checked for a couple of years, they might have had a reduction for so many months.Doctors have clinical guidelines in what is referred to as the orange book. I spoke to my doctor just on Friday. His practice would happily support supervised consumption. I asked him why he did not prescribe methadone daily. The previous Deputy Minister for Health and Community Care, Tom McCabe, wrote to me because John Home Robertson asked a question in Parliament. The letter said that how to prescribe methadone was up to a doctor and that a doctor can prescribe it to be consumed daily on pharmacy premises if he likes.However, my doctor says that if doctors did that, there would be no way that pharmacists or doctors could cope. He said that Department of Health policy prevents doctors from following guidelines in the clinical management guide for doctors—the orange book. The guidelines say that doctors should take adequate precautions to ensure that the methadone that they prescribe does not filter on to the illicit market. In the present situation, it is impossible for a doctor to ensure that.

Rosie Kane SSP Glasgow
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You said that GPs receive £350 when somebody registers. Is that an annual sum?

Eric Brown
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Yes.

Eric Brown
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It is for each drug addict. Jim Sherval of the Department of Health's policy department gave me the figures in a meeting.

Rosie Kane SSP Glasgow
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Is that money given with a reason? Is it to establish something?

Eric Brown
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It is an incentive for a doctor to take on a drug addict. The money is not spent on building a wee room in a practice to dispense methadone; it is like a bonus. The money could be better spent. The doctors and pharmacists to whom I have spoken would like a clinic to be established to deal with the problem. The problem used to be prevalent in areas that were considered to be bad, such as Niddrie and Bingham, but now it is everywhere, including small villages.Gone are the days when somebody obtained a methadone prescription because they were hooked on heroin. They are prescribed methadone because they are hooked on pills or street methadone. That is a vicious circle.I repeat that if methadone was dispensed and consumed daily in pharmacies, drug addicts would benefit because they would not be able to take any extra, the drug would not get on to the street and methadone deaths would be virtually wiped out.

John Scott Con Ayr
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Good morning, Eric. I too offer my condolences on the loss of your son. I am aware of the problem in Ayrshire, where methadone prescription is twice the national average, which is a worrying statistic. I am aware that there are guidelines on clinical management, but you say that in the real world pharmacists cannot follow them. How is the problem addressed elsewhere in the world? You talked about local clinics in which people could be supervised when they take methadone. Is that possible solution to the problem used in England and Wales? Are you aware of best practice that is taking place anywhere?

Eric Brown
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When I first approached my doctor, Dr Clubb, he could not understand why we do not take the approach that is taken in Amsterdam, where what people call the methadone bus travels round schemes. Addicts have to meet the bus at a certain time in the morning and if they miss the bus they do not get their prescription for the day. They are given their daily dose on board the bus.If we are throwing £100 million at the problem in one year and putting aside £160 million, we should be spending the money wisely to reduce deaths. It is no good stabilising someone on methadone if no attempt is made to reduce their dependence and make them drug free.Doctors and pharmacists want clinics to be established. The pharmacists I have spoken to want clinics because when they dispense methadone there is increased shoplifting on their premises. We hear that the figures for drug crime are going down. Given that stealing is the most common offence that drug addicts commit, if a pharmacist keeps handing over bottles of methadone, the crime rate for thieving will go down because addicts sell on the methadone and do not have to steal as much. I have spoken to a police inspector in Musselburgh and to numerous other policemen, who say that it is well known that methadone is used as a currency. That says it all.

John Scott Con Ayr
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From your knowledge of what goes on on the street, do you think that a travelling clinic would be a good idea? Should we look into that?

Eric Brown
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Any type of clinic would do. For example, if there is a community centre in an area that has a problem, the centre could be used. I support the use of any place, if it means that we can deal with and reduce methadone use. Edenhall hospital in Musselburgh would have been ideal for serving Tranent, Prestonpans and other areas close by, but it has been shut down. We have been promised a new clinic, but the Edenhall hospital building is already there. Some organisations argue that we must protect drug addicts' dignity and treat them as though they were normal patients with a normal illness, but drug addiction is a self-inflicted illness, if it is an illness at all.

Campbell Martin Ind West of Scotland
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I am seeking clarification on a matter that you mentioned in your answer to Rosie Kane. You were talking about what currently happens and who decides that an addict must take their methadone in front of the dispensing pharmacist. If the doctor who writes the prescription does not write on it that the drug must be taken in front of the pharmacist, can the person just collect the drug and go?

Eric Brown
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That is exactly what happens. According to the letter from Tom McCabe, the former Deputy Minister for Health and Community Care—I did not bring it with me—it is for the doctor to direct that the methadone be taken under supervision. The doctors I have spoken to say that they cannot possibly do that. It seems to me that the Health Department's policy simply stops doctors following that way, even if they wanted to. The funding is not there. People would not be paid.

Campbell Martin Ind West of Scotland
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So arrangements are basically haphazard, which is why you are asking for regulation.

Eric Brown
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Definitely.

Michael McMahon Lab The Convener · Hamilton North and Bellshill
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Mr Brown's MSP, John Home Robertson, has joined the committee. I invite him to add any comments or information.

John Home Robertson Lab East Lothian
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As I am Eric Brown's constituency MSP, I would like to make a quick summary. First, I am grateful to the committee for considering this extremely important issue, which Eric Brown has raised. Secondly, I express my admiration for the dignified and positive way in which he and his family have pursued the issue in order to minimise the risks that other families will suffer. His family has already suffered. The Scottish Parliament and the petitions system are here to ensure that the Government listens to the real problems of real people, and we could not discuss a more urgent example.Eric Brown's son died because somebody gave him prescription methadone. That has happened in his community of Musselburgh and, as he has told us, it has happened on 87 other occasions around Scotland. No part of Scotland is safe. Any of our families could be affected by the issue, which could not be more serious. That the use of what is meant to be a medicine turns out to be as lethal as the original cause of the problem—illegal drugs—is especially alarming.A fundamental point is that methadone is extremely dangerous. There is alarming evidence that a significant amount of prescription methadone is finding its way to the wrong people in the wrong places. It is being traded. That has tragic and fatal consequences, as Eric Brown has told us. I fully appreciate that it might not be possible to get every dose consumed in controlled circumstances, but that should surely be the objective.Eric Brown has made a powerful and logical case that we need to be far more vigilant with methadone. Therefore, I hope that the committee and the Executive will seriously consider the points that he has made. I am grateful to the committee for giving me an opportunity to register my support for him.

Michael McMahon Lab The Convener · Hamilton North and Bellshill
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Do members have recommendations on what we should do with the petition?

Mike Watson Ind Glasgow Cathcart
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As I said earlier, the Executive has carried out a review of drug treatment and rehabilitation services. Despite that, I understand that there is still no regulation at all that applies to methadone prescription and consumption. The Executive will read the Official Report of the meeting. We should write to it and ask what steps it intends to take to deal with the matter. I hope that we can say that the committee's view is that something must be done to bring in regulation so that what Mr Brown has outlined does not happen more widely throughout Scotland.

Michael McMahon Lab The Convener · Hamilton North and Bellshill
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I do not disagree, but I was going to suggest that, on a practical level, it might be worth consulting the people who dispense methadone. Therefore, it might be worth writing to the Royal Pharmaceutical Society of Great Britain to find out whether it has a perspective on the matter from the other side of the divide, if you like. Is that a good idea?

Sandra White SNP Glasgow
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I was going to say exactly what Mike Watson said. I appreciate what you are saying, too, convener, and support it.

John Scott Con Ayr
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I wonder whether we should write to the British Medical Association, given that we are going to write to the Royal Pharmaceutical Society of Great Britain.

Michael McMahon Lab The Convener · Hamilton North and Bellshill
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We could get as wide a perspective as possible on the issue.

John Farquhar Munro LD Ross, Skye and Inverness West
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It might also be appropriate to pick up on Mr Brown's suggestion about establishing a clinic that is separate from the pharmacy or the doctor's surgery. That might be cost effective and more appropriate.

Michael McMahon Lab The Convener · Hamilton North and Bellshill
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We could ask the Executive for its views on that suggestion.

Rosie Kane SSP Glasgow
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I do not know whether this is the right stage at which to ask this question, but I am interested in the £350 payment. I do not mean to be pedantic. I think that John Home Robertson mentioned NHS Lothian.

Rosie Kane SSP Glasgow
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To get a bigger picture, I wonder whether there is any way of finding out whether that payment is made across the health boards.

Eric Brown
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It is negotiated differently with different health boards. The payment is £350 in Musselburgh, but it could be £250 elsewhere. Pharmacists get an allowance as well, but I have not been able to get that figure.

Rosie Kane SSP Glasgow
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It would be interesting to see what that incentive looks like at a national level.

Michael McMahon Lab The Convener · Hamilton North and Bellshill
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For the record, it is worth pointing out that the laws relating to the misuse of drugs and the regulation of their sale and supply as medicinal products are reserved matters. Of course, that does not stop us asking how the Executive deals with the matter in the NHS.

Eric Brown
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The clinical management guide that I referred to—the orange book—gives figures that show that withdrawals from methadone are more severe and take a longer time than withdrawals from heroin do. That makes me question why people are being prescribed methadone. Edinburgh is starting to introduce a drug called Subutex, which is in the form of a tablet that dissolves under the tongue and can be taken three times a week instead of daily. Issues like that have to be considered as well. The main thing, however, is to save lives that are lost to methadone.Dihydrocodeine is prescribed along with methadone and it is not even licensed for the treatment of drug dependency. That is stated in the clinical management guide as well. I find it strange that a drug is being used to treat drug dependency when it is not licensed for that purpose.

Michael McMahon Lab The Convener · Hamilton North and Bellshill
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Thank you for that information and for bringing the petition to the committee. Again, on behalf of the committee, I express our condolences in relation to the situation that led you to lodge the petition. We will let you know what the Executive and the other organisations advise us in relation to the issue.As the petitioners who will speak to PE790 have not yet arrived, I ask the committee to agree to deal with PE791 now and to come back to PE790 later. Do we agree to do that?Members indicated agreement.

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