Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Public Petitions Committee's sixth meeting in session 2. We have a full agenda, as usual.The first six petitions to be considered today are PE593, PE625, PE632, PE633, PE635 and PE672, from Mr Duncan Shields on behalf of the International Men's Organisation and Fathers Fighting Injustice. Each of the six petitions raises specific issues relating to certain aspects of the judicial system and, in particular, to alleged discrimination against fathers in divorce actions. The petitioner is present to give a 10-minute presentation to the committee in support of his six petitions. Mr Shields has decided to spend seven to eight minutes on his first five petitions before being joined by Ms Ann Mallaby and Mr George Farqhuar, who will support him in giving evidence on the final petition, PE672, for the remaining two or three minutes.At the end of the presentation, I will invite members to go through each petition individually and seek a resolution before moving to the next petition. Although Mr Shields will speak about the petitions collectively, we will take each petition individually. I remind the petitioners and members of the committee that the Parliament is unable to intervene in individual situations or in matters that have been subject to court proceedings, which may be referred to in the presentation.Mr Shields, you are welcome to the committee. You have 10 minutes in which to make your presentation.
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New Petitions
Child Witnesses (Cross-examination) (PE635) Justice 1 Committee Inquiry (PE672)
Speakers
Choose an MSP to read only their contributions- Michael McMahon Lab 33
- Duncan Shields International Men's Organisation and Fathers Fighting Injustice 22
- Helen Eadie Lab 5
- Jackie Baillie Lab 4
- Carolyn Leckie SSP 4
- Sandra White SNP 3
- Ann Mallaby 2
- George Farquhar 1
- John Scott Con 1
The record
75 contributionsWe thank the committee for hearing the petitions, which were submitted by our organisations over a period of a year. However, we believe that trying to compress discussion of them into such a short time scale does not do justice to what are very serious issues. The petitions are all, in part, connected with discrimination against men.Scottish social services have been shown to be not only incompetent but, we believe, riddled with fraud, corruption, gender discrimination and a strong Illuminati influence undermining the welfare of vulnerable children. That is at its worst during separation, mainly due to the large public moneys that the Legal Aid Board is freely allocating to opposing lawyers—in my child's case, for more than nine years—which leads one to believe that legal fraudsters assume that they are better at protecting children than the children's fathers are. Any suggestion from sources that are abusing those moneys that that practice is being curtailed is a blatant lie. Fathers do not require money to protect their children—their protection is free at source, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. However, that protection is unlawfully and criminally taken from the children, at the expense of their biological fathers.Until that financial link is severed, children's safety will continue to be undermined, as any separated father knows who has tried to protect his children from the appalling gender fascism that is being perpetrated by lawyers, sheriffs, police court officials, the Legal Aid Board, social workers, doctors, teachers and myriad publicly funded hangers-on who exert a drain on public funds that makes the cost of the new Scottish Parliament building pale by comparison.I am talking about a multibillion-pound fraud, on which the Scottish Executive has failed to put a lid. Many child deaths have occurred due to extreme prejudices while more public money is used to promote that prejudice. Those vast sums are being consumed by a lawless legal fraternity, supposedly to protect children. The way in which they use children in family courts leads to one of the most shameful experiences that men and children have to endure, the persecution of separated fathers being the main daily ritual of incompetent, corrupt and publicly funded legal practitioners. There are many females in the fathers' extended families who also suffer from the loss of contact with their loved ones.Philip Yelland, the director of the Law Society of Scotland's investigations, states that the society has no remit to discipline lawyers for human rights abuses, despite his personal responsibilities under article 17 of the European convention on human rights. The legal profession inquiry, the legal aid inquiry and the Council of the Law Society of Scotland Act 2003 do not have and will not have any effect on the system and may make matters worse. Scottish children and parents will continue to face severe psychological trauma and, potentially, more deaths until the issues that we raise are taken seriously and the Scottish Executive takes immediate emergency measures to address them before any more tragedies occur.We have provided evidence of child deaths where fathers have been separated from their children due to a system that compares to the race hatred that was promoted during apartheid in South Africa. In Scotland, however, it is gender apartheid that is largely responsible for the deaths of children who received no protection from incompetent agencies while they were separated from their biological fathers.Our children are being robbed of their future inheritance by the wheeling and dealing of a corrupt system that is condoned by the upper echelons of the political and legal establishment, despite widespread evidence presented in the inquiries. We demand immediate action to ensure that rights under the ECHR are being upheld in Scottish civil courts. On many occasions, fathers and children face actions without legal representation or funding. There are no audio recordings of those hearings, despite the fact that the equipment is in place to record them. In many cases, there is a need for jury hearings, when large, fraudulent land and property transactions are being perpetrated, leading to the bankruptcy of fathers who face the injustices that flow from major failures within what is a despicable system.Our organisations can state from evidence that has been gathered worldwide that Scotland's civil legal system is one of the most appalling anywhere in the world. Any suggestion by the legal or political fraternity that that is not the case is a blatant lie. The issue is not that family courts need more powers; it is that the abuse of those powers is oppressing and enslaving men. That oppression has reached unprecedented levels—marriage licences can be purchased for very little but there seems to be no upper limit on the legal costs of their removal.The failure to cap the cost of the new Scottish Parliament building poses exactly the same dilemma that is posed to men by uncapped costs imposed by family courts, except that the sums in the latter are many times greater and are a major blight on Scottish society. There is grave concern over the impartiality or otherwise of the Legal Aid Board as a tribunal. The majority of its members are members of the Law Society of Scotland and working sheriffs with potential links to the Illuminati, and they are wholly responsible for publicly funding large-scale male asset stripping while undermining children's human rights. The gender imbalance makes men easy pickings for the criminals operating within the system; there is no legal protection, because of the collusion between the Law Society and the Legal Aid Board.Last month, Bob Geldof stated: "Family law … does not work."He said that family law is absurd, blunt and outdated and stated:"So many of us are hurting and yet the law will treat the man in court (if my case is typical) with contempt, suspicion, disdain and hostility."He added that the law is"unjustly weighted in favour of women."Bizarrely, on the rare occasions when the situation is reversed, it is when the woman is married to a fighter pilot or the ex-husband is classed as landed gentry or is in the same Illuminati lodges as the judge who is hearing the case. That is why there is an urgent need for juries in cases involving expensive land and property divorce divisions. Juries are needed to ensure the impartiality that is required under article 6 of the ECHR and to ensure that justice is seen to be done. A separated man entering the Scottish court system feels like a Christian must have felt when they stepped into the Coliseum in Rome: unarmed, outnumbered and waiting to be eaten alive.Sigmund Freud stated:"I cannot think of any need in childhood as strong as the need for a father's protection."Why is the devolved Scottish Parliament massively and publicly funding a system that leads to the exact opposite situation? The answer is that that is financially beneficial to all those who gain from the psychological torture and abuse of the children who are separated from the protection of their biological fathers by the ruthless use of outdated Scottish civil law. The situation is entirely incompatible with the rights that fathers and children have and demand under the ECHR—those rights are being undermined daily in our Scottish courts. Ultimately, any legal system that harms a father harms the children. When fathers are robbed, their children are robbed of their inheritance.We have an Auschwitz on our doorstep where appalling human rights abuses of vulnerable children take place. I am talking about the Dungavel concentration camp. How long will it be before the gas chambers are moved in? Our society has been cajoled into accepting human rights abuses as the norm, but they will never be the norm. As six supporters who are at the committee meeting today witnessed, one of our members is being forcibly injected with antipsychotic drugs without due process of the law being followed. The legal and political systems in Scotland are acting more like the fascism that led to the Holocaust. That situation is totally unacceptable.The integrity and dignity of the judiciary are paramount in any society. The Scottish judiciary must be made to serve the interests of the people of Scotland. A flawed judiciary promotes insecurity and economic instability and ceases to serve the country's citizenry. The magnitude of the corruption in the Scottish legal system is now alarming. Separation of powers has never given courts an arbitrary and unaccountable authority.The legal system is a corrupt monopoly, which needs to be broken up. It is holding the county to ransom. John Swinney MSP recently stated that, if this is the way in which everyone gets treated by the legal complaints system, there is a need for enormous change of practice and attitude. The separation of powers in the Scottish legal system of jurisprudence has never been an excuse for the Executive or legislators to ignore their constitutional and conscientious duties.My final point on petition PE593 is that the judiciary and all who report to the courts on child custody issues should be properly accountable. There should be accurate audio recordings of hearings and social work interviews, as that would curb the widespread discrimination within the system. Fathers and children should have proper access to legal representation. That would ensure that a child's human rights are not undermined by lack of representation or of funding.On petition PE625, I believe that there should be a full inquiry into the legal aid funding of expert witnesses to ensure that corruption is not tainting the evidence that is being provided to the courts. We raised that issue in March 2001 in petition PE352, but it was ignored. If that petition had been acted on, lives could have been saved.On petition PE632, no lawyer who refuses to act for a client should be given authority through the courts to act to sell a client's heritable property. An investigation should be instigated into collusion in the legal fraternity and there should be laws to prevent fraud by those monopoly powers.On petition PE633, biological fathers should not be prevented by bias and discrimination in divorce actions from protecting their children. The legal system acts like a jackboot brigade in preventing that protection and causing the deaths of children who do not have that protection.On petition PE635, judges have an appalling record of dealing with children. They cause children psychological trauma. My children faced the judges' wrath. Serious steps should be taken to prevent children from being traumatised by insensitive and bullying judges who are not fit to deal with child cases.Finally, petition PE672 deals with the Justice 1 Committee's inquiry into the legal profession. That committee is wholly responsible for the due process of law being seriously undermined in a case concerning one of our members. The outcome was the forcible injection of antipsychotic drugs, against his human rights. The committee failed to ensure that the judiciary is fully accountable in our supposedly civilised society. Can the Justice 1 Committee convener, Christine Grahame, tell us whether any lawyer or judge was disciplined or struck off or whether any compensation was paid for the appalling damage that was done to people's lives by a corrupt legal system?I am sorry, but I am having to squeeze everything that I want to say into a very short space of time.
I will give you a bit more leeway, Mr Shields. You have a couple of minutes before you bring in your colleagues.
The last thing that I want to say, convener, is in respect of individual cases. We read in the Parliament's business bulletin about the motion that Frances Curran lodged on the case of Layla Zana, a Kurdish MP. If the Scottish Parliament can spend its time and energies on the human rights abuses of a non-United Kingdom resident, it is appropriate that it should take steps to address human rights issues on its doorstep. I thank the committee for its patience.
Do you want your colleagues to join you at this point?
If that is okay.
You have a further three minutes, Mr Shields.
Mr Farquhar would like to speak.
My name is George Farquhar. I am the founder of Project Freedom—Child Rights Watch. I am an investigator, researcher and campaigner, dedicated to the mass public exposure of secret societies' child abuse networks and paedophile rings. For more than five years, I have been researching organised child abuse by certain high-profile members of our social services, who hide behind their secret-society-backed positions of power within the police and justice system, child care and social services and the mass media and medical industries. I have numerous examples of those networks of abuse and of the individuals involved, some of whom are publicly exposed on my website. Since I have been non-violently campaigning in and around Edinburgh against those crimes over the past two years, I have been arrested about eight times by Lothian and Borders police. Although I have been charged with breach of the peace and with failing to give a DNA sample on each of those arrests, I have been found guilty on only one charge of breach of the peace, about which I was later admonished. The circumstances surrounding my last arrest were a little different. I was arrested for taking video footage of a corrupt police officer who had falsified criminal charges and blatantly lied in court in relation to my possible conviction and imprisonment. Having been arrested by the police officer for that action, I was remanded in jail before being taken in front of Procurator Fiscal Smith at Edinburgh sheriff court. Procurator Fiscal Smith immediately lied to the court by stating that I had a history of similar offences, conveniently omitting the fact that I had been found not guilty on all charges bar one. Then, the procurator fiscal, while mumbling under his breath so that I would not be able to hear him, suggested that, because of my history, I should be detained for psychiatric reports. In addition to my trial, which was a kangaroo court, and that corrupt act to veil the truth, I am currently being detained in the Royal Edinburgh hospital, in a clinic for the criminally insane. Since my three months' incarceration as a political prisoner, I have been forcibly injected nine times against my will with high doses of antipsychotic drugs while being held down by numerous hospital staff. That major abuse of human rights for taking video footage of a corrupt police officer is just one of the numerous cover-ups directed against my dedication to expose Government child abuse. I should be out in the street, non-violently campaigning, not incarcerated and drugged up like an insane criminal. Please do whatever you can to rectify the matter—not for my sake, but for all the children, who deserve safety and justice for the crimes perpetrated against them.
Thank you for that evidence. We will start with petition PE593, on which I invite any comments, questions or recommendations from members. I remind members that, in this instance, the petitioner is calling on the Scottish Parliament to ask the Scottish Executive to take emergency actions to address the alleged discrimination shown by the judicial system in Scotland against fathers and their children in relation to divorce actions.
I would be interested to hear if the petitioner can provide any evidence of such cases and thereby demonstrate the need for carrying out an investigation as he suggests.
I refer you to my evidence and statements. We have already provided numerous petitions with evidence and statements and we would not want to comment any further.
I will explain why Helen Eadie asked that question. You suggested in your introductory comments that you had submitted evidence. The committee has to have some indication of what that evidence is before it can take a decision.
I refer you to our evidence and statements. We have proved today, in relation to a criminal charge, that the due process of law was undermined with respect to Mr Farquhar. We have six witnesses here today, and that is a common—
With all due respect, Mr Shields—
Well, if they do it with a criminal charge—
Could we stick specifically to—
You have asked me for evidence. It is evidence enough that the due process of law has been undermined.
Mr Shields, you have made some claims; you have not provided any evidence, and I think that the committee—
I am sorry—I do not want to comment further. I refer you to our statements and evidence. I have given you notice of circumstances that are potentially leading to the abuse and deaths of children. I do not want to make any further comment other than what has been provided in our statements and in the petitions.
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Welcome to the committee, Mr Shields. I have listened very carefully to what you have said. I have read the papers that you presented—and, indeed, the previous petitions—very carefully. You obviously have strongly held views. A number of things that you have said today need amplification if the committee is to do you and the petitions that you have submitted justice. For example, you have talked about gender discrimination, gender fascism, fraud and corruption. Those are highly emotive terms. I have no doubt that you believe what you have said to be true, but we are looking for evidence beyond your individual case and what is in the papers to show that the problem exists throughout the system. We are looking for that additional information with a view to trying to assist you in coming to a conclusion.
This is not only about me. I speak on behalf of organisations. The suggestion that we are talking just about an individual is common practice when we come to the Public Petitions Committee, but we are not. The problem is widespread. I refer you to the evidence and statements. I do not want to be pursued on that. We have given you sufficient evidence, including evidence that due process of law has been undermined. The crux of the matter is the simple fact that, as clearly stated in the Justice 1 Committee's reports on its inquiries into legal aid and the regulation of the legal profession, due process of law has been undermined, particularly by the Council of the Law Society of Scotland Act 2003. That is where the discrimination stems from. We have shown, evidenced and proven to you today that due process of law has been undermined in Scots law. That is sufficient evidence, as far as we are concerned, to show that an investigation is needed into how court staff, judges, lawyers and everybody connected with the courts conduct themselves in relation to the court process to the point where our member has been forcibly injected with antipsychotic drugs because of due process. We are all witnesses to the failures of the kangaroo court no more than 100yd away from this room.
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I am looking at petition PE593. The issue for me is the sufficiency of evidence that you say exists. That evidence is not necessarily sufficient in my or the committee's view to take matters further. What we are saying—at least, what I am saying—is that it would be helpful if you could provide us with more evidence that the problem mentioned in petition PE593 is systemic. As I understand it, the system as it is currently set up, which was outlined in the Executive's white paper on parents and children, makes explicit the fact that the principle that the courts have adopted is that the welfare of the child, rather than any consideration for the male or female parent, must be put at the forefront of their considerations. I would think that that is something to which we would all sign up.
Unfortunately, you still have to give us information as to why due process of law was undermined in our member's case, as in the cases of many fathers in civil actions. That is sufficient. We proved today that due process has been undermined. That has been shown to be widespread in Scottish courts. To us, that is sufficient evidence. We are giving you notice that human rights are being undermined. It is up to the Scottish Parliament and its MSPs to rectify the situation.
I do not have any illusions about the judicial system. I am well aware that the law is not equal for poorer people, particularly women. You made serious allegations about cases in which children died. If you allege that those deaths are directly linked to civil proceedings on divorce and custody, there should be specific evidence on that. I ask you to provide it if you have it. I have seen the newspaper article that you have provided.
There are umpteen instances. In petition PE633, we have cited 10 cases of child deaths when fathers have been separated from their children. There was a recent case in Aberdeen—
To be frank, what I have read does not demonstrate that any inquiries found that any of the deaths were linked to custodial arrangements, so that allegation—
I am sorry, I disagree with you.
Will you let me finish, please? On that particular allegation, I would like you to provide specific evidence beyond what you have put in front of us today. I also have a factual question. How many members does your organisation have and how many people are you referring to when you say that the problem is widespread?
I do not want to get into that. As I said, we have already given sufficient evidence and statements, but you are trying to undermine that by what you are saying today. We have shown that at least 10 children, and potentially 15, have lost their lives because of separation from their biological fathers. That is from the national papers. If you are not prepared to take national newspapers as sufficient evidence of widespread deaths due to children being separated from their biological fathers, you should not be sitting as an MSP. You are trying to undermine—
Mr Shields, the MSPs are asking you questions to try—
She is undermining evidence that there are widespread deaths of children due to separation from their biological fathers. What more evidence do you need than national papers? I do not understand why you are asking for more—
Mr Shields, you have come before the committee this morning to ask for your views to be taken seriously and for the petitions to be resolved in your favour. In order to allow the committee to do that, it is legitimate that members should ask questions on statements that you have made. You have made claims that require examination. It is only fair that members be allowed to ask questions. You may provide the answers as you see fit—that is your prerogative—but it is not permissible to challenge committee members in the manner that you have done so far this morning. If you continue to do that, I will curtail the process.
I am sorry, but I do not want to take any further part in the process if that is the concern. We are talking about widespread deaths of children—
Mr Shields, if you believe that you will be allowed to sit here this morning and make the kinds of statements that you have to Ms Leckie, I can assure you that I will not permit that—
I am not prepared to sit here and allow MSPs to undermine important evidence about child fatality and psychological abuse—
Mr Shields, the matter could be resolved if you allowed us to continue to ask you questions. If you want to continue with that attitude, you are free to leave at this moment.
I will do, given the attitude towards the petitions. We have been given 10 minutes to address six important petitions on very serious issues.
Mr Shields, we have a busy agenda this morning and we want to get to the core of the issues. We are asking questions on those issues. If you provide answers in the way that you have done, that is your prerogative, but I will not allow you to challenge MSPs on the committee in the way that you have done this morning. If you are prepared to sit a bit longer and answer our queries, Sandra White will ask a question.
We refer you to the evidence and statements, but I am not prepared to say any more on the matter. Ann Mallaby and George Farquhar might want to answer your questions.
If that is the case, we have no option other than to take a decision on the matter as it stands. Before I ask for recommendations from members, I ask Mr Shields to clarify that he is saying that he will not answer any more questions on the petitions this morning.
I would prefer to provide more evidence at a later date, given the manner in which I have been questioned this morning. That is no surprise, because since the devolved Parliament—
Can I say—
Let me finish.
Excuse me—
You are controlling this committee—
Exactly. I am controlling the committee and I ask you please to leave the table. You are refusing to answer questions, so I ask you please to leave the table so that committee members can discuss the petitions.I am sorry, but the situation is that Mr Shields is the petitioner behind all the petitions. He has refused to answer any more questions, so I cannot take any further evidence from the other two witnesses here this morning. I ask them also to vacate the chairs.
I am here to say—
Mr Shields is the petitioner and he has said that he is not prepared to answer any more questions. You were here to assist him but he has refused to answer questions. I am sorry, but I must ask you to vacate the chairs.
I am quite willing to answer any questions.
I am sorry, but we need to resolve the petitions. Mr Shields is the petitioner and he has refused to answer questions. We cannot discuss the issue further with Mr Shields. I ask you to vacate the chairs.I intend to go through each petition and ask members for recommendations on how to proceed.
The petitions raise some valid points about legal aid on which I would have liked to ask questions. I am sorry that Mr Shields feels that he has to vacate the chair.Convener, I think that you handled the meeting properly and well. Given that we cannot ask any further questions on the other petitions, we have no option but to take no further action on any of them.
How do members feel about that recommendation?
I place on record my regret at not being able to elicit any more information about some of the allegations that have been made. If an inquiry has found evidence of a direct association between separation or divorce and child abuse or deaths, the Parliament should investigate the matter. As I said, I regret not being able to pursue that line of questioning. However, because we cannot get to the bottom of the matter, we are not in a position to take any action on the petitions.
I share Carolyn Leckie's view and regret that the petitioner called her abilities as an MSP into question. No member of the Parliament deserves to be challenged in that way.I also regret the situation because one or two issues deeper inside some of the petitions are worthy of the committee's attention. Indeed, I have highlighted some of them in the past. However, I sincerely regret that we have reached the point this morning where the petitioner does not feel able to carry on.
Helen Eadie and Sandra White have made the point that the petitioners have submitted certain information in support of their petitions. As a result, it would be appropriate to go through each petition under discussion to show that the committee takes seriously any petitions that come before it. It is unfortunate that Mr Shields does not want to answer any more questions, but that does not prevent us from considering each petition on the basis of the information that has been provided. That would allow Sandra White and Helen Eadie to make the points that they want to make about the petitions.With the committee's approval, I ask for recommendations on petition PE593. However, I suggest that, given that the petition is on a very specific topic and that no information has been provided on it, there is really nothing more that we can do about it. Are members agreed?Members indicated agreement.
I ask for members' views on petition PE625, which calls on the Scottish Parliament to investigate the use of the expert witness system in Scottish courts.
I was particularly interested in this petition. After all, everyone who has to go through court procedures should get some kind of help, whether it be financial help from lawyers—which is perhaps what Mr Shields wanted—facts and figures and so on. I feel that it would be wrong simply to dismiss this petition and that perhaps we should write to the Executive and the Law Society of Scotland to seek their comments on the issues that it raises. It might be possible to facilitate voluntary training or something of that ilk. The petition is very good and I wonder whether the petitioner can supply any further evidence in support of it. In any case, I recommend that we take the petition further, if the committee agrees.
Sandra White has made most of the points that I wanted to make. I simply add that we should ask the Executive whether it thinks that the current system of registration for expert witnesses is adequate.
Are members happy with those recommendations?Members indicated agreement.
Petition PE632 calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Executive to take the necessary steps to ensure that lawyers cannot sell heritable property when authorised to do so by the courts if they have previously refused to act on behalf of the owners of such property; and to investigate whether the refusal of lawyers to act on behalf of individuals in such cases breaches article 6 of the European convention on human rights.
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It would have been very helpful if the petitioner had submitted additional information in support of this petition. From what I can see, the petition relates to the petitioner's own case, and it would have been helpful if we had been provided with other examples that indicated a wider problem in this respect. In the absence of such evidence, I feel that we can take no further action at this stage.
Do members agree to that recommendation?Members indicated agreement.
We move on to petition PE633, which calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Executive to take the necessary steps to eliminate alleged discrimination against fathers by the courts, social services and others in relation to decisions that result in children being separated from their fathers. I welcome members' comments on this petition.
This is another petition in which the petitioner has failed to give details about the steps that he wants the Executive to take to eliminate alleged discrimination against fathers by the specified professionals. He has also failed to provide evidence to support his claim that the Scottish Women's Aid organisation fabricates statistics. It would have been helpful to substantiate that claim. I propose that we take no further action on the petition.
I agree. Do members agree to that proposal?Members indicated agreement.
Petition PE635 calls on the Scottish Parliament to investigate and take action on alleged widespread perjury in child custody cases in Scottish courts. I invite comments.
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I suggest that the aims of the petition are covered in the Executive's Vulnerable Witnesses (Scotland) Bill. As a new member of the Justice 2 Committee, I know that that committee has taken evidence on the bill, which covers many of the comments that the petitioner has expressed. I suggest that we take no action, as action is already being taken.
I agree with Jackie Baillie. I had wanted to ask whether the petitioners were aware of the Vulnerable Witnesses (Scotland) Bill and what they thought of it, but we cannot take evidence on that.
Do members agree to the proposal?Members indicated agreement.
Petition PE672 calls on the Scottish Parliament to investigate whether the Justice 1 Committee's decision not to consider the judiciary as part of its inquiry into the regulation of the legal profession in the first session of Parliament contravened the Human Rights Act 1998.
It is regrettable that we could not ask the petitioner further questions this morning, because I would have liked to ask him to clarify his reasons for believing that the Justice 1 Committee's decision contravened the 1998 act. It would have been helpful to know those reasons. As the Justice 1 Committee may examine issues that relate to the judiciary at some stage, I propose that we take no further action on the petition.
How do members feel? Is that agreed?
It is a great shame that we have not been able to hear from additional witnesses.
Committee members and I take our jobs seriously. We want to do our best to enhance the reputation of the committee and the Parliament, but we cannot allow petitioners to make unsubstantiated comments then criticise the committee for not acting when the petitioners have provided no evidence on which we can base any action. I want to put that on the record, because I see no value in considering petitions from petitioners who have provided no evidence but who expect the committee to act purely because they have submitted a petition that makes allegations and claims that they cannot substantiate.
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