The first new petition is PE597, from Mr Paul McLennan, calling on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Executive to provide adequate funding to Scottish hospitals such as Belhaven, to prevent bed reductions and the loss of geriatric services. We are considering it jointly with PE599, from John McKenzie Elder, on behalf of the Cockenzie House Action Group—that petition is down here as having one signature, but in fact it now has 1,800 signatures attached to it. Petition PE599 calls on the Parliament to ask the Executive to provide adequate funding to prevent the closure of residential and nursing care services in Scotland. Both Christine Grahame and Mary Scanlon have indicated that they want to speak in support of the petitions. The petitioners are not here this morning.
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New Petitions
Frail Elderly People (Local Services) (PE597) Residential and Nursing Care Places (PE599)
Speakers
Choose an MSP to read only their contributions- John McAllion Lab 10
- Mary Scanlon Con 3
- Phil Gallie Con 3
- Christine Grahame SNP 2
- Dorothy-Grace Elder Ind 1
- Irene McGugan SNP 1
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20 contributionsI will address the petitions separately and I thank the convener for moving them up the agenda.Belhaven hospital in East Lothian provides another example of the fact that care provision for the elderly is under threat in Scotland. I remember campaigning with Phil Gallie for the Carrick Street halls, which represented a lost battle in Ayr for the elderly. We have a crisis in the care of the elderly.Belhaven hospital is a local hospital just outside Dunbar. It has three wards—two geriatric and one for respite—one of which is under threat. A huge campaign has been undertaken by the local community council, the Belhaven hospital league of friends and the entire local community.The reason for closing the respite ward is underuse of the facility. It is said that the hospital is 40 per cent underused. That is extraordinary when we know the difficulties in providing respite throughout the Lothians, where 500-odd patients are bedblocking. No consideration has been given to the fact that some Edinburgh patients could be put in Belhaven hospital—transport from Edinburgh to Dunbar is not difficult. Instead, the threat of closure has been made.When the committee considers the matter and sees how it interlocks with PE599, I hope that it will take the view that the Executive must deal with the crisis in care of the elderly in the community, whether in a local hospital or a nursing home. Extraordinarily, a hospital ward has been threatened with closure. Petition PE599 deals with a nursing home that is threatened with closure. There will be no place for elderly people to go in East Lothian. I ask the committee to consider the petitions against the background of all the continuing care that is required for the elderly.The committee might consider writing to Lothian Primary Care NHS Trust. The committee now has a copy of a letter of 24 January from the trust—that letter represents the most up-to-date position, to the best of my knowledge. I refer members to the third paragraph of the letter, which says:"I am now able to report to you that we are currently engaged in the process of applying to the Care Commission for formal registration of Ward One as a nursing home. This will enable us to provide care home facilities for those patients who are currently subject to delayed discharge in acute hospital beds in East Lothian and Edinburgh. Whilst it will take … three months for our application to be processed, we have nevertheless decided to reopen Ward One as of Monday, 27th January … and run it on the basis of a nursing home from this date."That is the most recent information to hand—the committee might want to find out more—but it describes the position for only three months, after which everything will be precarious and elderly people will be in a vulnerable position.Petition PE599 is on Cockenzie House nursing home. I am sure that the committee will wish to commend the petitioners on the thorough manner in which they have presented the petition. I will refer to some of the accompanying letters, because we are talking about individual people—the 53 residents. They are real people with real pasts, real presents and real futures, but they are being treated like bits of furniture in a fight about funding that should not have happened.East Lothian Council pays itself £449 per week per resident for a residential nursing home and pays the private sector £388 per week per resident per nursing home. People here do not need to be told that nursing homes require more intensive staffing and a higher professional level of nursing than do residential nursing homes, yet a funding gap of almost £70 per week per resident exists between what the local authority pays itself and what it pays a private nursing home. Why? It is cheaper to run a residential home. The Joseph Rowntree Foundation says that £465 is the proper figure that should be paid per week per resident per nursing home, but on offer to the private care sector is £406. That is where the problem lies, not only in Cockenzie, but throughout Scotland. The irony is that, if Cockenzie House closes and those 53 lovely people must be put in hospital beds, that will cost the state about £800 per week per resident. Even in hard economic terms, let alone humanitarian terms, the calculation is ridiculous.In July 2002, Jack McConnell said:"For most of us, our parents worked all their lives to give us a decent standard of living and a decent home and I think we've … got a duty as they go into their old age to look after them too … Being in care is a traumatic time for the whole family and I want to make sure that we make that as easy as possible".Those are fine words, but they are not followed up by fine actions. For the reasons that I have given and because of the costings that I described, the situation is impossible. The battle is not about being for the private sector or the public sector. That does not matter. What matters is elderly people who require to be looked after in their homes.I will briefly quote one or two letters. Someone who has a family member in Cockenzie House writes:"This is a desperate cry for help for someone to tell us what is going to happen to my 90 yr. old father + other residents of Cockenzie House … They are not pieces of furniture that can be moved or disposed of to rectify your problem of ‘bed blocking'."I apologise to other people who have sent personal letters, because I cannot take up the committee's time by going through them all, but they are extraordinary because they remind us that people are involved. Another letter says:"When my father died in January 2001 it was with the assurance and confidence that his wife, my mother's, remaining years would be secure in Cockenzie House, an environment close to loved ones and friends in the community where she was born and brought up."The letter continues:"The electorate put unquestioned faith and store that our elected representatives in Parliament that the interests of our senior citizens are being taken care of. This is now sorely and severely being questioned."There are many such letters telling stories of people who are back in their local community. I have here a letter from an upset and worried daughter who says that her mother"was cared for at home by my sister for 8 years until it became too much and affected my sister's health. After a lot of upset and fighting with Social Services, we eventually got her into this nursing home, which she now calls her home."Another letter reads:"My mother has lived all her days in Cockenzie and Port Seton, attending Cockenzie School and Preston Lodge."The letter tells of her life, the man she married and her community. It continues:"When it was decided through assessment, that my mother would have to go into care, we visited many Nursing Homes in East Lothian and, without any hesitation, came to the decision that Cockenzie was most suitable."The trauma that people go through when they put their elderly parents into nursing homes is bad enough without penny pinching by the Administration making them wonder whether their parents are secure in a place in which they are happy, loved and cared for. I am sorry that I have taken up your time, convener, but I am extremely angry that people have had to stand outside this building in the cold and damp and have had to campaign and sign petitions about something that the Parliament should be ashamed of.
You are not taking up my time; you are taking up the time of other petitioners.
Four years ago, I sat around this table with Dorothy-Grace Elder, Duncan Hamilton and other members of the Health and Community Care Committee and drew up the top 10 priorities for health in Scotland. Far ahead of everything else, our agenda was led by care in the community. Since then, the Health and Community Care Committee has dealt with the Community Care and Health (Scotland) Act 2002 and the Regulation of Care (Scotland) Act 2001, which set up the Scottish Social Services Council, and we have just finished stage 2 of the Mental Health (Scotland) Bill. We also made a commitment to monitor the implementation of care in the community. Given that the new policy was started only on 1 July last year, it would have been petulant to start jumping up and down at the time, because anything so new was obviously going to have teething problems. Now, nine months after implementation, I am seriously worried about what is happening. I spoke to a lady in the demonstration outside who said that her mother had been moved six months ago from another home. I know the trauma that is caused to old people who are moved.The Scottish Parliament has introduced new regulations with which we all agree—apart from the one that resulted in water rates bills of £8,000. Amendments to policy—such as ensuring that there is a nurse in every home, better training and higher standards—will help people at the end of their lives to live with dignity and respect. We look for the same standards across Scotland. As a member of the Scottish Parliament who represents the Highlands and Islands, I could not even find Cockenzie in East Lothian. Although the petition mentions Cockenzie House in particular, the same problems apply to every care home in Scotland, except council care homes. The councils pay £150 more per person per week. Council care homes have no worries about meeting regulations, employing nurses or providing en suite bathrooms. That is why the situation is unfair. The private and independent sector is being starved of funds.The situation is bad enough for the elderly people. I will not repeat what Christine Grahame has said. In the past year, 15,800 people in Scotland turned up for surgery at hospitals only to be turned away because of a lack of beds. There were no beds because more than 3,000 beds were blocked. About 3,000 beds are still blocked, in spite of the injection of millions of pounds. In the Highlands, the number of blocked beds is increasing. The blocking is not the fault of the people in those beds. The beds are being blocked because councils are refusing to fund care. Residential care homes are closing every week.Every time I speak about the issue in the Parliament, members say that those who run care homes are in it for profit. Even the Church of Scotland, which is taking money from its social fund and its collections, cannot break even—it had to close homes last year. Similarly, the Salvation Army, which does not run care homes for profit, cannot break even. The people who run care homes are simply trying to break even. I have looked at the bank balance of a care-home owner in Fort William. She is getting a loan up to the cost of the care home. When her overdraft reaches the price of the home, she will be closed down. That is the situation that many care-home owners in Scotland face.The figure given on the yellow placard that protesters outside the Parliament were holding—£465—is not unreasonable. It is certainly very reasonable in comparison with what councils pay their homes. The figure is supported by Which? magazine and the Joseph Rowntree Foundation.Although I am speaking in support of a petition on Cockenzie House, the points that I make are general. Every member of the Health and Community Care Committee expressed their commitment to consistent standards of care throughout Scotland. There is a two-tier system in which councils, which are given far more money than everyone else, turn round and criticise others for profit making, not having enough staff and paying their staff less. If every home were paid the same per patient to achieve the same quality standards, private care-home owners could pay their staff more, provide more training and meet all the obligations that the Parliament has set. I ask the committee to consider the petition not just in relation to Cockenzie House, but in relation to every care home in the independent sector in Scotland.
Although the petition comes from Cockenzie House, it is general—it does not relate to Cockenzie House alone. The committee cannot get involved in individual decisions; it must deal with matters of general policy. We are in the unusual position of having no petitioners to ask questions of. Do members want to make any points, before I outline the suggested action?
I want to comment on the general problems that Mary Scanlon has identified. To be fair, I must admit that the problem did not begin in 1997. It was around when the Tory Government was in power. At that time, it was thought that the private care sector was particularly hard done by. Since then, numerous care homes have closed and the problem has got worse, in spite of the establishment of the Scottish Parliament.Although the Executive has ultimate responsibility for funding, as parliamentarians we all have some responsibility for the present situation. We all took part in passing the Regulation of Care (Scotland) Act 2001 and agreeing to free care for elderly people. During that process, we all stated our good intentions. However, good intentions are one thing; practicality is another.South of the border, legislation on the regulation of care homes has had to be abandoned. If we write to the Scottish Executive about the petitions, we must reconsider the whole issue. In addition to the revenue costs of providing staff and facilities for elderly people, the added capital costs for care homes will break the camel's back. I am sympathetic to PE597 and PE599. Once again, the problem goes far deeper than the individual cases that the petitions raise. It is a serious problem that the Executive and all parliamentarians must face up to.
Before I call Dorothy-Grace Elder to speak, I apologise for giving the impression that the petitioners are not here. They are at the back of the room, but I did not realise that. However, we decided that, because there have been so many other petitions on the same theme and because of the pressure for other petitioners to speak at this meeting, we would not hear from the petitioners. They are here and the fact that they are not answering questions is our fault, not theirs.
We are all mindful of the fact that these are the fourth and fifth petitions that we have received on the same theme in a couple of months. The petitions that we are considering now are well organised and have had a massive amount of work put into them. They draw attention to a national issue, which I think is a human rights issue—we should explore the European dimension in relation to that. As Christine Grahame stated, helpless people are being moved around like bits of furniture, displaced persons or refugees in their own country, yet their generation is the one to which we owe the most. Nobody will owe a vast amount to our generation, perhaps, but we owe these people—who came through the second world war and the grim days afterwards—a debt that has never been paid. They are a cheated generation.Like Mary Scanlon and Christine Grahame, I am shocked. I remember the early, heady days of the Health and Community Care Committee—Mary Scanlon and I are two of only three surviving original members of that committee—when, with the best intentions, we shoved community care right to the top of the agenda. However, we are being let down all the time. From the letter about Belhaven hospital, it is clear that movement this late in the day—the letter is dated 24 January—has come only through intense pressure from local people. I congratulate the petitioners on the splendid submissions that we have received, which have involved a huge amount of work. Having written submissions myself, I know just how much work and care that takes.Councils are not entirely villainous; they are suffering from severe cuts, but that is another matter. I thank the petitioners very much for bringing the issue so forcefully to our attention.
The Belhaven argument identifies another funding problem, where the health service is doing the job of the local authority with respect to housing need. It is a matter of bedblocking, overall budgeting and who has final responsibility. The health service seems to be funding a considerable proportion of housing provision in Scotland. That is not good for the health service, for individuals or for the local authorities. We should ask the Executive to address that.
Okay. Let us turn to the suggested action on the two petitions. We received three petitions on almost exactly the same issue previously. There seems to be a lack of funding for such care, which is developing into a genuinely national problem. The first recommendation is, therefore, that we should agree to link the two petitions with the three petitions that are already with the committee, which have been referred to the Executive for responses. We are still awaiting two responses from the Executive, so it is suggested that we defer consideration of the two petitions until we have received the Executive's responses to the other petitions.We could also ask the Executive for more details on the information that was announced last week—subsequent to our considering the three earlier petitions—about the funding package that is being made available. We understand that the Church of Scotland and the Salvation Army have accepted the new funding package, but that other Scottish care homes have not. Should we ask the Church of Scotland and the Salvation Army for comments on the issue?
I have here a news release from the Church of Scotland—I think that a bit of spin has been put on what it has to say. The director of social work for the Church of Scotland said:"While we believe that the cost of residential care is significantly greater than £346 a week, we have reluctantly agreed to accept this baseline figure from the Scottish Executive and CoSLA.As this figure doesn't meet the true cost of care, we hope to keep discussions open with funders as we further demonstrate our commitment to the provision of the highest quality of service to older people in our communities."In other words, the Church of Scotland has accepted the figure on much the same basis that Mary Scanlon has highlighted and is funding provision through other sources.
It is important that we get the Church of Scotland to comment on the petitions and the new funding package. We should also ask the Salvation Army for its views.
I did not mention this point when I had the opportunity to speak. In October 2001, after what is known as the Aberdeen stand-off—when care homes in Aberdeen refused to take any new patients because of a lack of funding—a national review group was set up under an independent chairman, Owen Clarke, in order to consider the real cost of care. When the committee seeks a response from the Scottish Executive, I wonder whether it would ask for an update on how often the group—which includes the Scottish Executive, the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities and Scottish Care—has met and what items it has discussed. After all, if the group had done its job properly and had examined the true cost of care under Scottish Parliament legislation, we would probably not be discussing the matter today.
Will you provide the clerks with the exact name of the review group?
Yes.
I whole-heartedly endorse the suggestion that, in view of the recent announcement, we raise the issue of funding with the Scottish Executive. As I understand it, the issues that the committee has raised with the Executive on the previous petitions have centred more on the adequacy—or shortfall—and effectiveness of provision. However, from what we have heard today, funding is the crux of the matter and it is important that the Executive gives us an indication of whether it is prepared to revisit the issue.
I seek the committee's agreement to link PE597 and PE599 to the earlier petitions and I suggest that we defer consideration of the matter until we receive responses from the Executive. In the meantime, we should write to the Scottish Executive, asking it to comment in more detail on the new funding package that has been made available and to tell us how many times the national review group that was set up in 2001 has met and what subjects it has discussed. In addition, we should write to the Church of Scotland and the Salvation Army to ask for their views on the new funding package. We will consider the petitions further once we have received those responses. Even though we have not received the responses, it is suggested that, as time is running short, we should refer the petitions for information to the Health and Community Care Committee and ask whether it thinks that its successor committee would be interested in taking up the issue after the election.
On the television and radio the other day, I heard Scottish Care answering Executive criticisms about the attitude of care homes to the additional costs. Would it be worth while asking for Scottish Care's comments?
Yes. We will ask for comments from the Church of Scotland, the Salvation Army and Scottish Care. Are members agreed?Members indicated agreement.
I thank the petitioners for attending. I should also say that we do not often get petitions that are as well presented as those that we received from the Cockenzie House Action Group.
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