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Tuesday 16 June 2009 Public Petitions Committee Petitions 11 contributions · 6 speakers

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Frank McAveety Lab The Convener · Glasgow Shettleston
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PE1257, by Mark Hutchison, calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to ensure that solicitors who are acting as court reporters and who knowingly supply false information to a sheriff are not immune from prosecution, and that their reports are amended to correct any inaccuracies before the court makes a decision. Do members have any comments?

Bill Butler Lab Glasgow Anniesland
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I believe that the Scottish Government has commissioned research on the matter. We should ask the Scottish Government what concerns and reasons prompted it to initiate that research. We should also ask when the research will be concluded and what changes it will bring about that would address the petitioner's concerns. That is three questions to start off with.

Nigel Don SNP North East Scotland
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I concur with Bill Butler, but we must be clear that there are two issues. On the face of it, the issue is whether a solicitor who does something wrong can be brought to law. We must accept that for a solicitor who is acting as an officer of the court, the answer will be no, for some very good reasons. However, the issue behind that is about ensuring that solicitors who are appointed as reporters to the court, or in any other capacity to do with children, are trained to understand and work with children. As a society, we have an increasing understanding of those issues, but I am not sure that most solicitors do. The classic example that was quoted to me by a solicitor who works in the field is that, when a young child is asked why they do something, they think that they are being told off, because that is what parents tend to do. One has to understand that a child's logic and language are different from an adult's. Lawyers who are appointed by the court and who do not understand that could—in the best faith, never mind anything else—come up with wrong answers.The first issue is the one that is on the face of the petition, which is about working out whether such people can be dealt with through the legal system. The other issue, which is probably more important, lies behind that first one and is about whether the Government is taking steps to ensure that solicitors who are appointed by the courts are trained in what they are doing and not just in the law.

Robin Harper Green Lothians
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We should write to the Scottish Child Law Centre, which I am sure would be keen to give us advice. We should also write to the Community Law Advice Network and the Law Society of Scotland.

Marlyn Glen Lab North East Scotland
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I have a general point. Given the absolute importance of court reports for children and families, it is important that people have confidence in the reporters. Therefore, it is important that we consider the issue properly and ensure that the people who write the reports are trained properly, so that we can have confidence in the evidence that they give.

Bill Butler Lab Glasgow Anniesland
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We should also write to the Law Society of Scotland to ask for its view on the issues in, and objectives of, the petition.

John Wilson SNP Central Scotland
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When we write to the Scottish Government, we should ask how many complaints of such a nature have been made against solicitors who have acted as court reporters. If the petition arises from an isolated incident, we could deal with it as that, but it would be interesting to find out whether the Government has pulled together information on the issue or whether it regularly monitors the number of complaints that are made about the court process. I understand Nigel Don's comments about officers acting on behalf of the court system not being approached in relation to the advice that they give and not having legal action taken against them. However, if we discover that such situations arise frequently, a re-examination of the system must be done to ensure that court reporters or other court officials do not mislead the court in the evidence or reports that they provide for the court's consideration.

Marlyn Glen Lab North East Scotland
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Would it be suitable for us to put similar questions to Scotland's Commissioner for Children and Young People?

Frank McAveety Lab The Convener · Glasgow Shettleston
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That would be fine. A series of suggestions has been made.

Nigel Don SNP North East Scotland
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The Scottish Child Law Centre and another organisation, whose name eludes me, deal specifically with children and legal matters. We should ask the experts for their views on the petition.

Frank McAveety Lab The Convener · Glasgow Shettleston
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We will decipher all the suggestions that have been made. As always, we will follow the wisdom of the clerk in deciding what to do next.

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