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Free Public Transport (Under-18s) (PE1107)

Tuesday 29 January 2008 Public Petitions Committee Petitions 12 contributions · 5 speakers

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Frank McAveety Lab The Convener · Glasgow Shettleston
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I thank committee members and members of the public for their patience. The next petition is PE1107, by Robin Falconer, on behalf of Highland Youth Voice, calling on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to reduce public transport fares for all under-18-year-olds who are in full-time education, and to make provision for young people with no income to travel free or to pay only half the adult fare. Members have received the papers on the petition. It is in the hands of the committee how we will explore the issues that are raised by it.

Claire Baker Lab Mid Scotland and Fife
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I am interested in a couple of issues. I suggest that we write to the Scottish Government, asking for its views on the petition and whether it can give us a costed estimate of the proposals in the petition. I am also concerned about the reported lack of uptake of the existing scheme and the underspend of its budget. I would like to ask the Government what its planned budget for the scheme is for 2008-09.

Frank McAveety Lab The Convener · Glasgow Shettleston
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Okay. The petition asks for a commitment to tackle the issue of reduced transport fares for all under-18s in full-time education. Perhaps I am being too sensitive, but I wonder about people who have managed to get work after leaving school at the age of 16. They are probably not well paid and will be on relatively low incomes even for that age group. The principle that underpins the petition is noble, but my concern is about the anomalies that the action that it calls for could throw up. Do members have views on that?

John Wilson SNP Central Scotland
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I concur with the convener's remarks about young people who are under 18 and working. The petition also makes a distinction between those who have money and those who do not. Although they might not have an income, many under-18s receive more in pocket money than some employed people earn. I speak as a parent of a 16-year-old. With the amount of pocket money that some young people get, they can be seen to be quite well off.

John Wilson SNP Central Scotland
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That is the problem, convener—I am beginning to recognise that.I would tweak slightly what the petition proposes because we should also consider the position of young people who leave school to take up traineeships or apprenticeships, who can be paid less than, say, £60 a week, from which they must pay for travel, lunches and other expenses arising from their employment. The proposal for young people with no income to travel free raises an administrative problem. How would a ticket collector on a train or a bus driver determine whether somebody who was under 18 had an income? We could tweak slightly what the petition proposes by asking what the implications would be of delivering free transport to all under-18s. With the convener's permission, we should write to travel operators such as First ScotRail and First buses that already deal with concessionary fares for pensioners, and ask how they would deal with the petition's proposed strategy if the Government introduced it.

Nanette Milne Con North East Scotland
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Clearly, such a strategy would have significant cost implications—I agree with Claire Baker that we should get a cost estimate. The proposal also raises the general question whether there should be universal or means-tested provision of free transport. I know of a fair number of pensioners who ask why they should get free transport when they can afford to pay. The petition raises the same point in respect of the other end of the age spectrum. Many questions need to be asked about what the petition proposes.

Frank McAveety Lab The Convener · Glasgow Shettleston
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The costs would have to be considered carefully. I regularly hear announcements on the radio about the current concessionary fares scheme, encouraging young people to take up the offer. However, even with a substantial publicity budget and media coverage, the take-up of the scheme is not what those of us who felt that it was a good idea expected it to be.Another issue is whether bus services would have the capacity to cope with increased numbers of passengers. The folk who make the real contribution are those who work and pay taxes, which allows the non-charging of folk of pensioner age or anyone under 18. It would be ironic if those who pay the taxes that allow folk to get on buses for heehaw could not get on the bus to get to work because of lack of capacity. We would have to address that as a major public policy issue. The petition's proposal sounds noble, but it has drawbacks.We should explore what the petition proposes with the variety of agencies that members suggested and we should—to be fair—get the views of young people in Scotland on the petition. Perhaps we could explore the issue with Young Scot, which already has a commitment to obtaining reduced-cost access to a variety of different things, including public transport.

John Wilson SNP Central Scotland
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I suggest that we also contact the Scottish Youth Parliament because it might have useful views on the matter.

Frank McAveety Lab The Convener · Glasgow Shettleston
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Okay. Given the money that young John Loughton, who chairs the Youth Parliament, got from winning "Big Brother", he will probably be running about in a pink limousine now.

John Farquhar Munro LD Ross, Skye and Inverness West
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Who should do the promotion? For example, should it be the Scottish Government or the rail industry?

Frank McAveety Lab The Convener · Glasgow Shettleston
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The current concessionary scheme for young people is promoted by the Scottish Government, through Transport Scotland. However, take-up is not what had been hoped for, which raises issues other than the capacity issue. To be fair, the young petitioner has raised legitimate issues, so I hope that we can start to address at least some of them.Is the committee happy to accept members' recommendations on the petition?Members indicated agreement.

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