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Pingat Jasa Malaysia Medal (PE991)

Tuesday 20 March 2007 Public Petitions Committee Petitions 13 contributions · 5 speakers

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Michael McMahon Lab The Convener · Hamilton North and Bellshill
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PE991, by Andrew Nicoll, calls on the Scottish Parliament to support the right of Scottish veterans to wear the pingat jasa Malaysia medal.At its meeting on 15 November 2006, the committee agreed to seek views on the petition from the committee on the grant of honours, decorations and medals and the Commonwealth Parliamentary Association, and to seek the petitioner's comments on the responses. Responses have been received and circulated to members. Further information has also been submitted by the committee on the grant of honours, decorations and medals and by the petitioner.Would Linda Fabiani like to comment? She has an interest in the matter.

Linda Fabiani SNP Central Scotland
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I would like to hear what the committee has to say first.

Sandra White SNP Glasgow
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I am just reading the papers, as we got them only today, although the follow-up response was due in early March. I cannot follow the logic of the Cabinet Office ceremonial secretariat, which continues to say that, although we can allow the veterans to accept the medal, they have no official permission to wear it. When the men came to the committee to give evidence they were asked about the fact that they could wear the medal. They said, "Yes, we could, but we want that to be officially recognised." The correspondence suggests that although the Government turns a blind eye and no prosecutions have taken place of people who wear the medal ceremonially, they still do not have permission to wear it. As the men said, they fought and received a medal; they want the honour of wearing it without fear of being prosecuted. I cannot understand why the Cabinet Office will not give the veterans permission to wear the medal. I do not know what the committee can do about the issue, but I wanted to make that point anyway.

Helen Eadie Lab Dunfermline East
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Given that the documentation has been tabled only this morning, it is difficult to know exactly how to respond. It is clear that there is concern out there, but the Cabinet Office's letter seems to suggest that there may be misinterpretation and misunderstanding.I suggest that we send all the correspondence to the petitioner—I do not think that he has received it yet. We should get a response from the petitioner and keep the petition open in the meantime. That gives us all a chance to read the documentation more fully—we have not had the chance to read it as, regrettably, it was tabled only this morning. That is the only way forward on the petition.

Michael McMahon Lab The Convener · Hamilton North and Bellshill
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The Cabinet Office is due to report in March. It would be worth the committee's while to keep the petition open at least until we see that report. We can look at whatever dialogue there is between the petitioner and the organisations involved, but we must await the Cabinet Office's decision.

Jackie Baillie Lab Dumbarton
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The Cabinet Office has made a decision. That information is contained in its letter to us of 12 March. It is basically sticking to its original decision. I also note that it looked over all the rules on acceptance and award of not only the PJM but all foreign medals. I have to say that, although the petitioners have had the opportunity to respond, there is a great deal of detail that we have not had an opportunity to read because it has been presented to us only this morning. It would be in everybody's interests to carry the matter forward.

Linda Fabiani SNP Central Scotland
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Unlike the committee, I have not had the benefit of seeing all the papers, but I would like to add a couple of points.I have stayed in touch with a couple of the veterans, and I would like to relay to the committee the upset and hurt that those men feel. While they can be honoured by an overseas Government for the work that they did in the Malay emergency, they feel that they are being slighted and not honoured by their own Government. They have been treated contemptibly. For example, Mr Nicoll told me that he received a phone call from someone in the Ministry of Defence about a letter that he sent. The conversation was like something out of "Yes Minister". The chap told him that the Queen has not refused permission for the PJM to be worn; she has just not given her permission for it to be worn. In other words, veterans are still not allowed to wear the medal with the honour that is due to them.I am delighted that members seem to want to keep the petition open. Another matter might be worthy of exploration. The London Gazette of 3 May 1968 has been drawn to my attention. It says:"The QUEEN has been graciously pleased to approve that Orders, Decorations and Medals conferred with Her Majesty's permission upon United Kingdom citizens not being servants of the Crown by the Heads or Governments of Commonwealth countries as defined above, or of foreign States, may in all cases be worn by the recipients without restriction".I did not bring a copy of the item, because I could not print it, but I am glad to see that members have a copy. Perhaps the committee could ask what happened to nullify that order, regulation or rule—or whatever the formal term is. I feel strongly that veterans of a war—although it was not called a war, for reasons that we cannot go into—are not being honoured by their country, despite being accorded great respect by the country that they helped.The response from the Commonwealth Parliamentary Association was a wee bit off. We are not talking about"a matter impacting on two Commonwealth countries";we are talking about this country's failure to give veterans the honour and respect that they are due from all of us. If the committee's decision is to keep the petition open and consider the matter further, I thank you.

Michael McMahon Lab The Convener · Hamilton North and Bellshill
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I think that our decision has been made. Are members happy to keep the petition open, so that our successor committee after May can consider it and correspond with the petitioner about how to take matters forward?

Helen Eadie Lab Dunfermline East
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Linda Fabiani drew our attention to a fascinating matter. Can we extract her evidence from the Official Report, send a copy to the Cabinet Office and ask it to respond to the point that she made? The question needs to be answered.

Jackie Baillie Lab Dumbarton
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Before we do that, members should take the opportunity to read the papers, which contain the answer. The petitioner provided the item in the London Gazette, but the papers include a response from the Cabinet Office ceremonial secretariat. Given the detail of the matter, if we are to do the petitioner justice we should reflect further before writing to the Cabinet Office.

Michael McMahon Lab The Convener · Hamilton North and Bellshill
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We will have to keep the petition open.

Sandra White SNP Glasgow
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We will have to do that, to be fair to the veterans. Linda Fabiani talked about Cabinetspeak. We have just received the papers and are looking through them as we go along, but I noticed a comment that, although no official permission has been given for the wearing of the medal,"the wearing of awards by civilians is not policed".Such language is just not right.

Michael McMahon Lab The Convener · Hamilton North and Bellshill
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We will keep the petition open, to allow proper consideration of new information. I thank Linda Fabiani for her evidence.

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