The first new petition, PE479, in the name of Mr W E Campbell, on the planning system, calls on the Parliament to take the necessary steps to allow local communities to become more involved in the planning process. I welcome Mr Campbell, who is here to speak to his petition, and his wife.We will follow the normal rules. The petitioner will have three minutes to make a presentation before I open up the meeting to committee members to ask questions.
Official Report · Committee
New Petitions
Planning System (PE479)
Speakers
Choose an MSP to read only their contributions- John McAllion Lab 32
- William Campbell 24
- Dr Winnie Ewing SNP 10
- Rhoda Grant Lab 3
The record
69 contributionsMay I read from my script?
Of course.
The document that was presented to our community can only be described as disgraceful. At a public local inquiry, the Scottish Executive denied local people the right to express their views and unacceptably restricted the views of others. Fundamental freedom of expression and the right to a fair and public hearing were removed while an important breach of rules by a developer was condoned. The community was also denied the right of achieving fairness in representation and relevance, by the refusal to allow an expert witness to take part. It was not a reporters' inquiry and it was not an appellants' inquiry; it was a public local inquiry involving local people.When a local plan is left without credibility and a structure plan does not give general support; when an existing established resource can meet 1.65 times the necessary reserve; when national planning policy guideline 1 principles of social justice are refused a weighting; when there is evidence to suggest the possibility of a Pictish burial site that could be destroyed; when reporters and the minister responsible fail to ensure that expert advice is obtained; when the public bodies responsible for archaeology refuse to take up the question; when 601 non-spurious objections can be removed in an irrational manner over an issue that did not previously exist; when a poorly maintained single-track country road is not twin-tracked and therefore not fit to take thousands of heavy goods vehicles, compromising the safety of all local users of the road; when reporters take on the role of experts and dismiss the tourism concerns of a local community—a situation made worse by tour operators threatening to seek alternative routes; when people's amenities, environment, quality of life, property values and business enterprises are compromised; when testimony is misrepresented; and when ministers know all that and refuse to grant a ministerial review, then something is seriously wrong with a planning system that allows such manifest errors of unfairness and injustice to remain so remotely detached from challenge or redress.If planning permission is granted, local residents will face an impoverished quality of life and financial loss. If the Scottish Executive is prepared to allow such decisions by its officials, it must accept responsibility and grant compensation for the injustice caused. We cannot afford redress to the Court of Session. Even if we could, it would be only to take issue with matters of legal or procedural defects. Unfairness or inaccuracy in the assessment of the planning merits of the case are excluded from such a challenge. The present planning system does not offer a means of fully allowing the proper reviewing of improper planning decisions. That necessitates the urgent creation of an independent method of assessment and adjudication.The ombudsman's office should be given the necessary power to intervene and reverse decisions where necessary in order to maintain some degree of public confidence, to promote fairness, to provide justice and to give credibility to the planning system. If it is not within the committee's remit to recommend that, we would ask for consideration to be given to the creation of some other independent body to address these specific concerns.When Scottish ministers permit an uncorrected document, littered with flaws, to go out in their name, we believe that it is of significant national importance. However, ministers do not agree. We identified many serious flaws in the reporters' letter of intention and collected them in our critique. We sent copies to the First Minister and to other relevant ministers. "Not of significant national importance," was the reply. The papers were passed to the reporters who said, "We'll look at new evidence only." Who monitors the reporters' mistakes and calls them to account? Nobody.The perpetration of such injustices is why Parliament should be empowered to monitor the decision-making process and should be able to hold the Executive accountable for the errors of its actions. The present system is neither just nor democratic—hence our petition.
Thank you very much. That was an excellent introduction to a difficult subject.
I have a lot of sympathy with the community at Wester Lairgs. I have been quite involved in the case—watching the community's frustration is difficult.You say that the Court of Session is not available to you because of the cost. Will you explain why the cost would be prohibitive to the community?
You are talking about people with modest or meagre incomes, who will only be given legal aid. Going to the Court of Session would not achieve the aim of our petition. If we went to the Court of Session, we could only challenge on legal or procedural matters. We could not challenge on the unfairness or injustice of how the planning decisions were made.
The clerks might be able to help with my question, although, as a lawyer, I should perhaps know the answer to it. I am interested in what you said about the powers of the ombudsman. Is it within the ombudsman's powers to review a planning decision?
No, the ombudsman can only investigate any maladministration on the part of the council.
Do we know what would constitute maladministration in the planning process?
As I understand the matter, it is not for the ombudsman to decide the discretionary element of granting permission.
You referred to something Pictish. I am rather fond of the Picts. Would Historic Scotland be interested in preserving the site, as such sites are rather rare? Have you been in touch with Historic Scotland?
Yes, we have. I recently wrote a letter to the Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Scotland in response to a letter that caused us considerable concern. It was a Dr Fojut at Historic Scotland who first prompted us to believe that the site was a Pictish burial site. When Dr Fojut visited the site, a local archaeologist suggested to him that perhaps it was an iron age burial site, but Dr Fojut indicated that it was more likely to be Pictish. I had a conversation with Dr Fojut five or six weeks ago, in which he addressed that point again. He advised me that there was every possibility that Wester Lairgs was the site of a Pictish burial. In spite of that, Historic Scotland, the RCAHMS and the minister responsible will not pursue the matter. They will not carry out any investigations to establish what lies there.
The committee must be careful not to take up an individual planning case. We are limited to considering the general principles of the planning process. In the light of that restriction, perhaps you could state exactly what should have happened in relation to the local interest. Was the problem the lack of a chance to appear?
No, the problem was nothing to do with that. I will be blunt. The public local inquiry that took place was nothing more than a farce. One would find the answer if one were to compare the letter of intention with the critique that we prepared, which consists of 99 pages outlining the flaws of the local public inquiry. There is a strong supposition in the community that a determination was made before the public inquiry took place.
Was the 99-page critique that you mentioned submitted to the public inquiry and considered by the reporter?
No. The critique resulted from the letter of intention.
So it was prepared subsequent to the public inquiry.
Yes.
Can we be clear about this? Was information about all your objections, such as the Pictish building site, the impact on tourism and the inadequacy of the road into and out of the quarry, given to the public inquiry?
Absolutely.
Was that information given in writing?
Absolutely.
But you were not given the chance to give oral evidence at the public inquiry.
No, that is not the case. The community formed a representative joint group that was made up of the action group and the community council. The first part of our petition relates to the fact that individual members of the community were not given the opportunity to speak.
But they were represented at the public inquiry.
The community was represented at the public inquiry through the joint group.
We have received a number of petitions that complain about the planning process. On the question of monitoring the decisions that are taken by public inquiries, the Scottish Executive always says that such matters are for local decision and that it is not for the Scottish Executive to intervene in issues that should be determined locally. From my reading of the papers, the local authority refused planning permission.
Absolutely.
There is local opposition to planning permission being granted.
There were more than 601 objections. The community council objected and the Strathnairn Action Group, which was formed to fight the proposal, objected. Highland Council turned down the application by 21 votes to 11 or 12. Four MSPs—three at the local public inquiry—represented us. Our MP represented us—his representative spoke at the local public inquiry. Yet the reporter still went against the views of the local community.
Are you saying that the matter was not decided locally?
Yes.
Are you really calling for a method of defending local communities against decisions that are taken by reporters who come from outside the area?
The reporters have flown in the face of all the principles that are written down in documents such as NPPG 1 and our local plans. The Scottish Executive appears to be saying that there should be local public involvement in planning decisions, but as far as we are concerned, we were ignored.
The Executive has also told the Public Petitions Committee again and again that it is conducting a consultation into the planning system. That consultation has yet to be completed; in fact, people can respond to it until the end of the month. Have you done so?
The closing date has been extended to next month.
Has it been extended to the end of April?
Yes. I asked the civil servant who is dealing with the consultation whether I could e-mail my comments, because I was so involved in various bits and pieces such as writing my speech. I was advised that the consultation period would be extended.
Is that not the proper approach to take to the situation? Most of the petitions on planning that we have referred to the Transport and the Environment Committee, which is responsible for that area, have not been acted upon because that committee says that it is awaiting the outcome of the consultation before it decides issues such as third-party appeals.
The planning consultation document does not specifically address some of the issues that we raise in our petition.
The consultation offers you the opportunity to get your ideas into the process so that the Executive can begin to address them.
In view of what has happened and the discord that exists in our community, we must make use of every means available to bring the situation to people's attention.
When one hears the long list of local people and elected representatives who objected to the application, one must say to oneself that the reporters were far removed from the position adopted by elected representatives of every description. Perhaps we could take a look at how reporters are appointed. The situation seems strange to me. I have never known of a case in which the position of all those elected tiers, including the council, has been totally refuted.
Can I clarify that the Executive called in the planning application because it was of national significance?
No. The developer submitted the appeal.
Are you saying that the developer appealed against the council's decision?
Yes.
Is that why the public inquiry was called?
Yes.
Is the Executive saying that there is no national significance to the development?
The Executive is saying that there is no issue of national importance. However, our argument is that it is an issue of national importance, because if the reporters could release a document that was so flawed, similar documents in relation to many other communities could be released. If that is not an issue of national importance, I do not know what is.
There seems to be a contradiction here. The Executive is saying that the development has no national significance and that it is a matter for local decision. The local decision was to refuse the development, yet the Executive seems likely to overturn it, but is also saying that it cannot intervene because it is a matter for local decision. The Executive seems to be contradicting itself at every turn.
I have one point on the national interest. In the Highlands there are other cases of developers seeking to create new quarries. There are problems in Sutherland and Lingerbay—the problem there goes on and on.
I was reading about that in The Herald earlier this week.
Is there an issue about the impact of quarries all over Scotland? It seems to be not one site, but many sites. They do not seem to provide local jobs or advantages to the local community. I am well versed in the issue, because I have been involved with the quarry development outside Oban and the continuing saga at Lingerbay. One could argue that it is a national issue.You put it very clearly, convener. Could you not write a letter on behalf of the committee making those points?
Before we discuss what to do with the petition, do members have any more questions for the petitioners?
It would be useful if the petitioners could put on record that there are other quarries in the area and that they are not making a not-in-my-back-yard objection.
Yes. We are not against quarrying. That point must be established. However, we have two major quarries that have supplied the growth of Inverness for more than 50 years—that adds up to more than 100 years between the two of them. Both quarries are substantial, but are situated at the head of the glen. They do not interfere radically with people's daily lives or with the amenities and environment of the local communities. The proposed quarry will do all that. The existing sand and gravel quarry applied for an increase to 6.4 million tonnes in February 2001 and a public inquiry took place in August 2001. Little or no cognisance was taken of the fact that the existing quarry could meet easily any shortfall in reserve, which is likely to be minimal.
We will move on to discuss the petition. Thank you for your evidence, which was very effective. You are welcome to stay for the discussion of the petition.Members will have read the recommendation. We cannot get involved in individual planning decisions. It has been suggested that we draw the attention of the petitioners to the Executive's consultation on getting involved in planning. We could ask the petitioners to submit their arguments to that process as a means of changing planning law.Several issues arose in the course of the evidence that we heard this morning that need clarification from the Executive. One argument against a monitoring process of public inquiries is that it is a matter for local decision, but in this case the local decision has been overridden. We need to get the Executive to explain why. Why did the reporter take the view that local opinion was wrong and that the development should go ahead?
The quarry goes against the planning guidelines and the local plan, which seems crazy. Usually, planning applications are turned down if they do not fit with the local plan. It seems strange that not only has local opinion been overruled, but the guidelines and the local plan, which are the usual standards against which planning developments are measured, have been ignored.
Am I picking up members' views correctly? Should our first step be to write to the Executive to ask it to clarify why local opinion was overridden in respect of this application, why planning guidelines and the local plan were ignored and why it felt that it was necessary to go against the decision that was made by locally elected people?
Could we write to Historic Scotland to seek its view on the question of the Pictish burial site?
It has been suggested to me that we are getting involved in an individual case.
Are we?
Yes.
Has Historic Scotland got a policy for dealing with planning applications that affect precious sites?
We could ask the Executive to comment on the historical significance of the Pictish burial site and on the advice that it received from Historic Scotland. I should have said at the beginning of our discussion that Fergus Ewing, the constituency member, was keen to attend this meeting but could not make it along. He wanted the Official Report of the meeting to record his support for the petitioners. Do members agree that we should write to the Scottish Executive along the lines that I suggested?Members indicated agreement.
I thank William Campbell again for his evidence. When we receive the Executive's reply, we will reconsider the petition and will keep the petitioners informed about what happens to it.
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