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Unborn Children (Recognition in Law) (PE382)

Tuesday 6 November 2001 Public Petitions Committee Petitions 8 contributions · 3 speakers

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John McAllion Lab The Convener · Dundee East
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The final petition, PE382, is from Mr Thomas Howe, and seeks legal recognition for the rights of the unborn child. We agreed at our meeting on 2 October that the Executive should be asked to comment on the petition and to provide clarification of the reserved provisions and details of its interest in the application of damages law. We have received a memorandum from the Executive that sets out in detail what it sees as the main points that arise from PE382.The law that relates to the unborn child is not reserved, but it is closely bound up with other reserved matters, such as abortion. Law governing reserved matters that concern abortion, embryology, surrogacy and genetics could be relevant if provisions were made in relation to unborn children.Petition PE382 relates only to civil law, but where there is a criminal offence, such as an assault, it is possible for any effect on an unborn child to be regarded as an aggravation of the crime. Consequences would be taken into account in sentencing. No action for damages is possible while a child remains unborn, but a claim can be made when a child is born alive.The Executive acknowledges the depth of feeling that surrounds the issue but points out the complexity of the law in this area. Any change to legislation would require a thorough review of relevant law. At this stage the Executive has no plans for such a review. Given the complexity of the law that surrounds the petition and the Executive's clarification of its position in relation to the petition, it is suggested that the committee should pass the Executive's response to the petitioner and take no further action.

Dorothy-Grace Elder SNP Glasgow
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The reply that the law is complex could be applied to anything. The issue should not be brushed off like that. Abortion law can be separated from what the petitioner intends. He wants a clear form of retribution or apology for the death of an unborn child, starting with his own case, which involves the loss of his son. The law is outdated in its definition of a child being born alive. If a newborn child takes just one breath, it is deemed to be born alive and there can be a case. Moreover, the expression "full term" has little meaning nowadays, given that children are being born at 20 or 21 weeks. The law on this issue is outdated. Without getting into the abortion wrangle, I do not see why there should not be proper penalties for the killing of an unborn child in circumstances such as a road crash, to which the petition refers. Sometimes in those circumstances there is only 10 minutes difference between the child being born or dying in the womb. I do not accept the Executive's reply that the matter is too complex and that we should forget it.

John McAllion Lab The Convener · Dundee East
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The situation is difficult because there might be implications for the law on abortion if an unborn child that is killed in a car crash is allowed legal rights.

Dorothy-Grace Elder SNP Glasgow
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I still think that it is possible to separate the issue of abortion from that to which the petition refers. Abortion is an agreed act. It is not, unless done illicitly, a criminal offence. The petitioner's case is entirely different, because here the unborn child has no rights at all. A mother could be fully nine months pregnant when her unborn child is killed. Is that child worth nothing? I do not think so. The petitioner has raised a major moral and legal point.

Helen Eadie Lab Dunfermline East
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Should we consider sending the matter to Westminster? I accept that some of it relates to civil law, but it seems to be primarily a reserved matter, given the legal complexities about the unborn child and the issues that relate to abortion, embryology, surrogacy and genetics. It would not be the first time that the committee has sent a petition to Westminster.

John McAllion Lab The Convener · Dundee East
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No, but the clerk has reminded me that the petitioner's main concern is with civil law and obtaining an apology under that law. We could pass the Executive response and the petition to both justice committees—or the one that agrees to take it—and ask whether they are interested in pursuing the points raised in the petition. It is ultimately for them, not us, to handle the petition.

Dorothy-Grace Elder SNP Glasgow
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It is particularly pitiful that the petitioner is having to ask for an apology through the petition. He has not been able to extract an apology from the driver who caused the fatal crash. Many people would ask for an awful lot more than an apology.

John McAllion Lab The Convener · Dundee East
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I agree, but what the petition suggests would require a change in civil law, which is a matter for one of the justice committees. Is it agreed that we refer the Executive's response and the petition to the justice committees, asking whether they are interested in taking up the issues involved?Members indicated agreement.

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