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Tuesday 4 July 2000 Public Petitions Committee Petitions 281 contributions · 15 speakers

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John Scott Con Ayr
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Perhaps he can also write to us about why this apparent discrimination has taken place. He must have a view as well.

Christine Grahame SNP South of Scotland
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I would like to hear the Deputy Minister for Justice's comments on both the petition and the evidence that will be on record today.

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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Okay. We will ask for the relevant minister's response to the comments on the record today about the apparent discrimination. We will also urge the Deputy Minister for Justice to meet Calton Athletic Recovery Group. Are members agreed?Members indicated agreement.

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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I now call Alasdair Russell to speak to petition PE234, which calls on the Scottish Parliament to create a regulation to ensure that all councils publish an annual one-page summary of councils' allowances and expenses in the respective council magazine. I apologise for skipping past you, Alasdair; please take a couple of minutes to present your petition.

Alasdair Russell
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Everybody knows that councils are public bodies and deal in public money. Anyone who wants to know how much money a councillor has earned over the financial year has to look out for a small advertisement that appears once in the local paper. Under the Local Authorities etc (Allowances) (Scotland) Regulations 1995, anyone can visit the council offices and inspect those figures. However, my proposal, which is simple, straightforward and reasonable, will cost little or no money and will involve amending the regulations or introducing new ones. Councils throughout Scotland produce council magazines—such as this one from Renfrewshire Council—that include miscellaneous items such as, for example, information on councillors and their photographs. Because we are dealing with public money—and if social inclusion, openness and transparency are to mean anything—councillors' allowances must be a wee bit more above board and a wee bit easier for people to see. There are a lot of elderly and disabled people in the community, and people lead busy lives. I would like to know how many people ask the council how much their councillor is earning. The public record of allowances, which is already available but is not easy to get hold of—people have to go and get it—should be included annually in every council magazine up and down the land. It would be easy to do that. Such magazines even include puzzles. It would be possible to put the financial figures for 40 councillors on one page at very little cost. That is a reasonable proposition.In light of the Kerley report and the fact that councillors may get more money, such action would be timely and would induce councillors to keep on their toes, as I am sure many councillors do. There is room for improvement and councillors should have to fight for their wards much more determinedly. That is my proposal.

John McAllion Lab The Convener · Dundee East
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Thank you. I invite brief questions to Alasdair Russell on the petition.

Sandra White SNP Glasgow
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You mentioned Renfrewshire Council. You obviously know that certain members of that council would need more than a wee page devoted to them—their allowances would take up about three or four pages. Have you approached any individual councillors with this idea or have you come straight to the Parliament?

Alasdair Russell
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I have come straight to the Public Petitions Committee, after picking up a leaflet in the library.

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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It is helpful for us to know that. You are the first person of whom we have asked that question. Perhaps we should ask more people that.The petition is quite clear. It seems reasonable and sensible. It has been suggested that we pass it on to the Local Government Committee for further consideration. Are we agreed?Members indicated agreement.

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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No, but members can attend the Local Government Committee meeting.I want us to finish by 1 o'clock, as another committee is meeting at 2 o'clock. We will try to speed through the next petitions. We may have to defer consideration of item 2, as we cannot continue beyond 1 o'clock. Would that be okay?Members indicated agreement.

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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Petition PE225 is from William Ackland, on noise and environmental pollution. The petition calls on the Scottish Parliament to take steps, including the introduction of legislation if necessary, to protect the human rights of residents in homes that are adjacent to quarrying from vibration, noise and environmental threats. It is suggested that we write to the Minister for Transport and the Environment and ask for her comments on the protection that is currently available for residents. Depending on her response, we may refer the petition to the Transport and the Environment Committee. Are we agreed?Members indicated agreement.

Sandra White SNP Glasgow
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Do not local councils have an involvement in granting planning permission for quarrying?

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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I think that they must follow national guidance, but we can ask for that information from the minister.The next petition, PE228, is from the Anderston Tenants Association. I declare an interest, as I have been involved in this issue. The petition calls on the Scottish Parliament to examine Scottish Homes and its double-glazing programme in the Anderston area. We have written to Scottish Homes, requesting its comments on the matter, and it is suggested that the petition be considered only after that information has been received. We want to know what Scottish Homes has to say before we decide what action we can take. Are we agreed? Members indicated agreement.

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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Petition PE229 is from Lawrence Stewart and calls on the Scottish Parliament to introduce legislation to require financial institutions to place investors' money in the highest-bearing account when account types are changed by financial institutions. You will know that such issues are reserved matters, so we do not have any powers to legislate, but we could send the letter to the relevant UK Government minister so that the point is not lost.

John Scott Con Ayr
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I think that we should send it with our endorsement. This is a good idea, but there are complications in relation to traceability if one moves accounts around. A huge difficulty is bound to arise when someone thinks that they have an account only to discover—perhaps 20 years later—that the account has been moved.

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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We will write to the UK minister and we will add in the letter that we think that it is a good point for them to address. Is that agreed?Members indicated agreement.

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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The next petition, PE231, is from Desmond Divers and is on car parking charges in Dunoon. We have an additional paper on that, which contains comments received from Argyll and Bute Council on the issues raised in the petition. We have written to Argyll and Bute Council, which is why we got that reply. We can now decide what we want to do with the petition.Argyll and Bute Council is saying that, following statutory notification and full statutory consultation, a hearing was held on the car parking proposals. It heard nine objections, including one objector representing those who had signed a petition. After hearing what was said, it modified the scheme. The local area committee will receive a report in September or October and there will be an opportunity to consider whether further modifications are required.We know that car parking in Dunoon is an issue for the council to consider, but it seems to have acted responsibly in taking into account points made by the objectors, including our petitioners. I think that we should close the matter at that.

Sandra White SNP Glasgow
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The final sentence in the letter mentions "a further report after the summer",so the council might give a further response to people in Dunoon.

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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I am sure that they will pick that up with this committee if they feel that the matter is not finished. Is it agreed that we follow the suggested course of action?Members indicated agreement.

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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Petition PE236 is from the Solway Shellfish Hand Operator's Federation and is on suction dredging in the Solway. It calls for the Scottish Parliament to consider the employment and environmental implications of permitting the reinstatement of suction dredging for shellfish in the Solway.It is suggested that we write to John Home Robertson to request his comments on this issue. We must understand the technical nature of these methods.

Christine Grahame SNP South of Scotland
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I spoke to Alasdair Morgan, the MSP for the area, who has concerns about this. He cannot be here today because the Rural Affairs Committee is meeting. It might be worth remitting this to the Rural Affairs Committee pro tem. This method has been used before and there will be great problems if it is reinstated.

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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I am not against that. I would be interested to hear what John Home Robertson says, so that we understand the points. We should note the petition to Alasdair Morgan.

Christine Grahame SNP South of Scotland
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If it is done now, it will not reach the Rural Affairs Committee until September.

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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We should send it for information to both Alasdair Morgan, as the MSP for that area, and to the Rural Affairs Committee.

John Scott Con Ayr
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I do not know what the time scale is. Alex Fergusson has lobbied me on this; he is very much in favour of the petition as well. It would appear that those who are connected with the area are in favour of the petition.

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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We will ensure that all the MSPs for the area get a note of what we have done at this committee, so that they can pick up on it. We should make the point to the minister that we know there is a consultation exercise and that we would like a response before the consultation finishes.

Sandra White SNP Glasgow
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Will we send it to the Rural Affairs Committee as well?

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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We will send it for noting to the Rural Affairs Committee.

John Scott Con Ayr
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We should send it to Jamie McGrigor as well, since he seems to know more about fish than anyone.

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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We will send it to the MSPs in the locality, as we know that Alex Fergusson and Alasdair Morgan have an interest in this. Other members can come to the next committee meeting, if we are picking it up.Members indicated agreement.

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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Petition PE238 is from Mr James A Mackie on behalf of the Forth Fishery Conservation Trust and is on environmental issues in relation to salmon and sea trout.The petition calls on the Scottish Parliament to investigate a range of environmental issues relating to salmon and sea trout fishing stocks. The petitioner has asked that the issues that he has raised be considered as part of the Parliament's consideration of PE96, from Mr Alan Rennie. That would seem to make sense.

Sandra White SNP Glasgow
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I think that the official report is having difficulty keeping up with you, convener.

Sandra White SNP Glasgow
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I am sorry for interrupting you, convener, but I could see that they were having difficulties.

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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My apologies to the official report.

Christine Grahame SNP South of Scotland
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They have to keep up with those west-coast folk who rattle on.

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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I am sorry. That was my impersonation of someone whom I cannot mention on record.The suggested action is that PE238 should be passed on to the Transport and the Environment Committee.

John Scott Con Ayr
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It should also be passed to the Rural Affairs Committee, because there are many issues surrounding fisheries. Why has that not been suggested?

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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The Rural Affairs Committee has already passed it on to the Transport and the Environment Committee. I do not think that the Rural Affairs Committee asked us whether it could do that, but that is what has happened.

Sandra White SNP Glasgow
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The subject of the petition is the way in which the environment affects fish.

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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We have a commitment from the Transport and the Environment Committee to keep the Rural Affairs Committee informed of any developments.

John Scott Con Ayr
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Should the petition also be passed to the minister?

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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The Transport and the Environment Committee is conducting an inquiry and it might not be appropriate to ask the minister for comments at this stage. Is that agreed?Members indicated agreement.

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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PE239 comes from Donald Easton and is on the subject of the NHS pay review body. The petition calls on the Scottish Parliament to direct the Scottish Executive to take action to include bio-medical scientists working in the NHS in that pay review body.

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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Some lab technicians and scientists are dealt with at a UK level. For historical reasons, some groups are not included in the pay review body. Everyone wants to be part of the pay review body because it is the only one to which the Government pays any attention.

Christine Grahame SNP South of Scotland
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I suggest that we send the petition to the Health and Community Care Committee for noting. It is part of that committee's remit to keep an eye on what the Minister for Health and Community Care is doing.

John Scott Con Ayr
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I hope that Christine Grahame is not making a political point.

Christine Grahame SNP South of Scotland
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Not at all. That is what all the committees should be doing, in a cross-party fashion, in the spirit of the new politics.

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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Perhaps we could ask the health department why bio-medical scientists are not included in the NHS pay review body, so that we are clear on that. John Scott is right, we should do a bit of work before we pass the petition to the Health and Community Care Committee—I know that that committee is rather overloaded. I, too, would like the reason why bio-medical scientists are not included to be put on record.

John Scott Con Ayr
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There must be some reason; it will have cost those people money in terms of lost salaries.

Sandra White SNP Glasgow
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An individual member could put that as part of a written question.

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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In the spirit of the written answer procedure, we can ask the minister for a speedy response to allow us to act on the petition. We could also ask the minister to specify any other health service groups that are not included in the pay review body. Is that agreed?Members indicated agreement.

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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George Lyon MSP and Ray Michie MP have submitted a petition on rural sub-post offices, calling on the Scottish Parliament to do everything in its power to secure a viable future for Argyll and Bute's rural sub-post offices.Previous petitions on this subject have been passed to the Rural Affairs Committee and the Enterprise and Lifelong Learning Committee for further consideration. Consideration of the previous petitions by the Enterprise and Lifelong Learning Committee resulted in the petitions being noted and forwarded to the Rural Affairs Committee.I will read out a note that George Lyon sent. He apologises for not being here and explains that he is unable to attend due to the time of the meeting changing. He says:"I would like to point out to the committee how important rural post offices are to a constituency such as Argyll and Bute with large numbers of small rural communities and approximately 26 inhabited islands. There are 118 rural post offices in the area, many of which are virtually the only shop left in the community. They therefore provide an absolutely vital service to these very small rural communities and the people who will live in them. I hope the committee will support this petition and recognise the strength of feeling in Argyll and Bute, as demonstrated by the large number of signatures that we received in support of the petition."What do members feel the suggested action should be?

Christine Grahame SNP South of Scotland
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It should certainly go to the Rural Affairs Committee, but I cannot see why we are sending it to the Enterprise and Lifelong Learning Committee. My instinct is that it is a social inclusion matter for people in that area.

John Scott Con Ayr
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To whom have previous petitions on rural post offices been sent?

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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The Rural Affairs Committee, because it is conducting an inquiry into the matter.

John Scott Con Ayr
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In that case, it would be consistent to send it to the Rural Affairs Committee.

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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Yes. We have done that with about six of them already. Is that agreed?Members indicated agreement.

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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Petition PE241 is from Jim Douglass, on behalf of Better Government for Older People in the Scottish Borders, calling for the Scottish Parliament to ensure that rural fuel suppliers in Scotland are able to offer a pricing structure similar to that in urban areas and to urge the UK Government to take action to ensure that fuel duty policy does not discriminate against rural populations and older people.The Enterprise and Lifelong Learning Committee is conducting an inquiry into fuel prices and it would seem appropriate to let them see this petition as well.

Christine Grahame SNP South of Scotland
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There are special issues for rural areas and special issues for older people who rely on cars to get them about rural areas. I would like the petition to be sent to the Rural Affairs Committee to note because of the difference in fuel prices in rural areas and in urban areas and the necessity of cars in rural areas.The Rural Affairs Committee is going to love me.

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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The Enterprise and Lifelong Learning Committee is driving this issue forward.

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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Are we agreed to send the petition to the Enterprise and Lifelong Learning Committee?Members indicated agreement.

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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Petition PE242 is from Action of Churches Together in Scotland, the Scottish Refugee Council and Amnesty International and calls for the Scottish Parliament to give asylum seekers rights of access to various support services and to amend legislation to restore the entitlement of asylum seekers to accommodation and cash-based support.It has been suggested that the petition should be copied to the Minister for Communities and that she should be asked to comment. We might want the Minister for Health and Community Care to comment, given that asylum seekers also get support from the health service.

Sandra White SNP Glasgow
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Perhaps it should be sent to the Education, Culture and Sport Committee, as interpreters are few and far between.

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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Perhaps the best thing would be to ask the Minister for Communities to deal with all the aspects of support and indicate that we would be grateful if she spoke to other departments.

Sandra White SNP Glasgow
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Can we mention education, housing and health specifically in our letter?

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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Yes. That concludes our consideration of the petitions. Do we want to finish off the agenda? How do members feel?

Pauline McNeill Lab The Deputy Convener · Glasgow Kelvin
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Are we all agreed?Members indicated agreement.

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