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Mycoplasma Fermentans and Autism (PE1597)

Tuesday 26 January 2016 Public Petitions Committee About 11:15–11:45 Petitions 36 contributions · 5 speakers

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Michael McMahon Lab The Convener · Uddingston and Bellshill
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Our next petition is PE1597, by Bill Welsh, on Mycoplasma fermentans in regressive autism. Members have a note from the clerks, the petition and the Scottish Parliament information centre briefing on the issue.

Mr Welsh is joined by his constituency MSP, Ken Macintosh. I will give Ken Macintosh an opportunity to make a contribution at some point after we have heard from Mr Welsh.

You have a few minutes to introduce the petition, Mr Welsh, and we will then discuss the issues that you have raised with us.

Bill Welsh
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Good morning and thanks very much for inviting me to contribute to the meeting. I have been here three times before, always on the same general subject of autism and the relationship of the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine to autism.

From 1998 to around 2005, thousands of parents marched, protested and campaigned in the UK and other countries regarding their child’s gradual withdrawal into autistic spectrum disorder following vaccination, and particularly MMR vaccination. As honorary president of a Scottish autism charity, I was involved in five marches in Edinburgh, one in Glasgow and a very big event in London that was attended by more than 10,000 parents. At the end of that march, six of us—five mothers of autistic children and I—were invited into 11 Downing Street, and Alistair Darling asked us whether we thought that the MMR vaccine is implicated in autism. He received the answer “Yes” six times.

No action followed that meeting in London, but public health bodies and the pharmaceutical industry went into a publicity overdrive. The public were assaulted in the media with more than 35 epidemiological studies from every which where—Denmark, Finland, Sweden and Japan—but the public health bodies omitted to tell the media or politicians that epidemiology is not appropriate for establishing causation. The Lancet said:

“causal association cannot be established by data from observational research alone ... If the mechanism of a disease is poorly understood ... Data from”

epidemiological

“research just cannot be used as the sole evidence to ... deny a causal link.”

The highly respected Cochrane organisation pitched in with a comment. It said:

“The design and reporting of safety outcomes in MMR vaccine studies ... are ... inadequate.”

I would like to illustrate that trickery using epidemiology with an example from the Scottish Parliament. In 2001, a debate was called on single vaccines as a choice for MMR, and Malcolm Chisholm, the then Deputy Minister for Health and Community Care, informed the Parliament that MMR safety was confirmed by a Finnish study that had followed up to 1.8 million children. Its conclusion was:

“no cases of autism were associated with MMR during this 14 year follow-up”.

The Finnish study is rightly infamous as an example of how epidemiology can be used—or misused—for deceptive purposes. In fact, only 187 children were tracked, not 1.8 million. When the author of the Finnish study, Heikki Peltola, was asked on the BBC whether his study was designed to identify cases of autism, he replied, “No.” The study was irrelevant. The British Medical Association and five royal colleges used that irrelevant study to mislead the Scottish public and the Parliament.

In short, the health bodies did not look—and they have still not looked—at the issue of a vaccine-autism link. The medical hierarchy has deemed that autistic spectrum disorder is solely a genetic condition. I have provided you with a graph, gentlemen. Please look at it, as it reveals the growing number of schoolchildren with an autism diagnosis over the past 25 years. In a few years, the number will reach a quarter of a million schoolchildren. That is not genetics at work.

The issue then entered a new phase—denial. The phrase “better recognition” was regularly wheeled out. Many of the children we are talking about cannot talk or have severe communication problems, so we are being told that, prior to 1990, doctors, parents and teachers did not recognise it when a child could not talk. Since the very beginning, public health bodies have demonstrated an entrenched reluctance to even contemplate that vaccination might be implicated in what we are witnessing.

Another favourite phrase is “changing diagnostic criteria”, even though the changes in diagnostic criteria were designed to reduce the numbers of children being diagnosed. Again, please look at the graph. Do you think that tinkering with diagnosis would create the massive rise in autism that we are witnessing?

In the meantime, in 2011, a robust and rigorous study was published in the USA. The California autism twin study concluded that at least 65 per cent of autism is caused by an environmental factor, but that revelation received no publicity.

I decided to do my own research. I started with my grandson’s MMR vaccine batch number. I then accessed the records from the MMR court case in London and I discovered that another 17 child litigants had the same vaccine batch number as my grandson and all were diagnosed autistic. I contacted a friend in Warrington and asked him to access his son’s batch number. It was a different number, but the story was the same—27 children who had received that batch number were all diagnosed autistic.

I investigated the history of vaccine batch contamination and I found important evidence in veterinary vaccines, where concerns have been raised for many years about contamination with Mycoplasma fermentans, which is a contamination associated with cell culture technology. Mycoplasma fermentans is a bacterial pathogen that is invisible to the naked eye. It lives within the host and has an affinity to the cilia and stereocilia, which are small hairs that exist in all mammals. If Mycoplasma fermentans enters the body, it will lodge in an area of cilia such as the auditory tract, the brainstem or the gut, and from there it will invade other cells to scavenge, causing a gradual deterioration in the host. Please—I ask you—read my scientific paper, which has been peer reviewed and published.

I then re-read Dr Leo Kanner’s original research paper from 1943 in the USA, in which he first identified 11 children with what he called a “new” and “very rare” condition that he named autism. Interestingly, seven of the children were thought to have been deaf, which is a common feature in the children whom we see today. More interestingly, cell culture technology was introduced to vaccine manufacture in the USA in 1930, shortly before those children were born. Kanner’s “very rare” autism is now more common than all other serious childhood conditions combined, following the introduction of a vaccine using cell culture technology multiplied by three—the MMR. Think synergy.

Mycoplasma fermentans is difficult to detect as it does not remain in the blood. It is intracellular and has no side walls, which makes it resistant to many antibiotics. That is where the problem of quality control in vaccine manufacture probably began.

My early hypothesis on the cause of regressive autism was placed on the internet by a parent and it was quickly accessed by parents in more than 45 countries worldwide. There is an awful lot of “better recognition” going on. I also contacted a number of universities by email but, so far, only one has responded. The response states:

“I am afraid the College of Medical, Veterinary and Life Sciences at the University of Glasgow has a strict set of research priorities. Your area of interest is not one of these. I wish you every success in your work.”

What set of research priorities in a civilised country ignores the cries of a quarter of a million sick children?

In view of the attitude of public health authorities to this tragedy that is affecting our children, I am requesting that the Scottish Government directly commissions a research project and informs universities that funds will be made available. I estimate that my hypothesis can be tested—using polymerase chain reaction and mannitol salt agar tests on a sample of, say, 100 children—at a total cost of under £100,000, with potential future savings to the Government of billions of pounds. The vaccination programme could then be made safe at long last. Thank you.

Michael McMahon Lab The Convener · Uddingston and Bellshill
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Thanks very much, Mr Welsh. I certainly feel ill at ease discussing this type of petition, because I am not a scientist or a geneticist. Basically, I am relying on—

Bill Welsh
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I am not a scientist, either.

Michael McMahon Lab The Convener · Uddingston and Bellshill
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I am relying on the scientific evidence that is available. You mentioned that, when someone put information on the internet, it was accessed by people in 45 countries quite quickly. Do all those 45 countries use the MMR vaccine?

Bill Welsh
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Yes, I believe so. They use vaccination generally. The issue is not specifically about MMR. It is mainly about MMR, but other vaccines are manufactured in the same way, using cell culture technology. However, the 45 countries will use the MMR vaccine.

Michael McMahon Lab The Convener · Uddingston and Bellshill
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I just wonder whether we have a chicken-and-egg situation. Are people looking to establish that MMR is the cause, or is MMR the cause and people are looking for information on it? Is it not the case that the person who first made the link between MMR and autism has been discredited quite substantially, as has the work that he did? Therefore, any link between MMR and autism has in scientific terms been completely rejected.

Bill Welsh
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No. I am sorry, but the public health bodies have not looked at it. Dr Wakefield—the chap who was discredited, as you put it—actually visited the Parliament at my invitation and spoke to a number of MSPs, probably in this room. He has been struck off and exiled because he mentioned the MMR vaccine in his research. However, I am presenting a different hypothesis altogether.

I think that Wakefield was actually a decent man. I do not think that the public health bodies went down the right route after the court case took place in London. Decisions were taken to go down a particular route when, perhaps, they should have stepped back, sat for a year and looked at the issue until they came up with something such as my hypothesis, which answers all the questions that we might ask about how autism is being created in our society.

Dr Wakefield was not discredited—that is just part of the propaganda. I am telling you that the public health bodies have not looked at the issue. Doctors will not look at it because they know what happened to Wakefield, as you do, and they do not want it to happen to them.

Michael McMahon Lab The Convener · Uddingston and Bellshill
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I will open up the discussion to colleagues. I ask Ken Macintosh whether he wants to comment before I open it up to committee members. I do not see any indication from colleagues that they want to come in at present.

Ken Macintosh Lab Eastwood
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Thank you, convener, and thanks for the opportunity to join you.

I ask Bill Welsh whether any work is going on in Scotland to try to understand the statistically measured steep rise in the prevalence of autism here. What explanations are being offered for that? Is any work or research under way to try to explain or understand it?

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Bill Welsh
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As I mentioned in my statement, the explanations that are being offered are that there is better recognition and there are wider diagnostic criteria, but those are spurious excuses. We cannot explain such a rise without looking at environmental factors.

The problem that guys such as me and the parents have is that the medical profession is determined to look at autism and put it in a genetic basket, or a box called genetics. They seem to have incredible difficulty in accepting any other explanation. It has now been proved in America that 65 per cent of autism is not genetic but is caused by an environmental factor, but then the fear arises and people think, “Oh, gosh, we’re back to MMR again.”

We never resolved the MMR issue. We looked at one hypothesis. I spoke to Dr Wakefield and he said that his hypothesis was only one hypothesis. Here is another. It might just be me, but I think that mine is more persuasive than Dr Wakefield’s was.

Ken Macintosh Lab Eastwood
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What should the committee and the Scottish Parliament do to investigate further?

Bill Welsh
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We have to try to find some way of getting the public health bodies to recognise that there is a problem here. You all have constituencies and you must know that there is a problem. If you speak to schools—to anybody in education—they know that there is a problem, and parents will tell you that there is a problem. However, we cannot get the public health bodies to say, “Here’s a hypothesis; let’s examine it”, because a word that I mentioned in my hypothesis closed all the doors, and that word is vaccination. Apparently, vaccination is sacrosanct and we are not supposed to question it. However, I am afraid that, if we are damaging hundreds of thousands of children, we really should be seriously questioning whether the vaccination programme is implicated in some way.

Bill Welsh
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I have to be very cautious about my answer. If my hypothesis is correct and regressive autism—I use the word regressive—is caused by a bacterial infection, by a contamination, then yes, it should be treatable. If we catch it early, it should certainly be treatable.

I have been in contact with a pharmaceutical company in the United States—I spoke to the owner—and it is developing a macrolide. I have been following this development for a number of years. When I asked whether the macrolide that the company is developing will be effective against Mycoplasma fermentans—the contamination that I have identified—they said that it would be very effective, but they asked me to contact the scientist in Australia who was trialling it. I contacted the scientist and he said that it would be very effective against Mycoplasma fermentans. Therefore, the answer to your question is yes. I think that it is treatable.

I am not too sure how effective it would be for people who have had the bacteria inside their bodies for the past 20 years or so, but for the children whom we manage to catch early, who have just started to regress into autism, I think that it could be 100 per cent effective.

John Wilson Ind Central Scotland
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It is important that we try to resolve the problem that has been identified with regard to children with autism, but what work should we be doing to try to avoid the bacteria getting into the vaccination system in the first place, and into children’s bodies?

Bill Welsh
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I mentioned my research into the company in the United States that is developing a macrolide. That is the answer for the vaccination manufacturers, because if that macrolide was added to their quality control processes, it would eliminate any possibility of Mycoplasma fermentans being in the vaccine. That is my understanding of the situation. This particular contaminant cannot be 100 per cent removed using the antibiotics that are used just now. In trying to help the children, we can also help the vaccination programme. It is important to make that programme safe.

John Wilson Ind Central Scotland
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You are saying that the bacteria get into the system through the vaccination process. By tackling that process and making sure that we eliminate the bacteria before they get into the vaccination system, we will not then have to do follow-up work with individuals who are identified as having autism.

I know that you are trying to get the pharmaceutical companies and Governments to understand that we should be doing everything that we can to prevent the contaminant getting into the system rather than dealing with it once it is already there.

Bill Welsh
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That is absolutely correct. It should not be in the system at all. It has been in the system in a small way since 1930, I think, but we probably now have the means, as part of manufacturing batches, to address that. If the vaccine manufacturers were to do that, the rate of autism would descend and we would have some sort of proof that that was the cause in the first place.

I was honorary president of a children’s charity in Edinburgh for many years. The main drive that I focus on is trying to help the children who have been damaged, because the heartbreak that is involved in that is, to be frank, unbearable at times. It is terrible when you see perfect kids who could sing and talk and can no longer do so. They have lost all their skills.

Michael McMahon Lab The Convener · Uddingston and Bellshill
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I invite colleagues to suggest what we should do. Is there any way that we can get some scientific analysis of the matter? The best place to start is to talk to the scientists, so we need to talk to the chief scientist and ask what the position is.

Bill Welsh
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Can I interrupt you? I was refused an audience with a series of health ministers. They kept diverting me and one of the places to which they diverted me was the chief scientist. The interview that I had with him was one of the poorest and least successful in 20 years of fighting the problem, because the chap had not even read my hypothesis. I have lost confidence in an awful lot of the official bodies that are involved in the matter.

Michael McMahon Lab The Convener · Uddingston and Bellshill
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With all due respect, we would not be asking the chief scientist to review your work. I am suggesting that we write to him and ask what work needs to be done to make progress with the petition, if it is possible to do that. That is not exactly the same question as you were asking.

Bill Welsh
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I can answer that question for you, because he told me that I would have to get a university to make an application to him. He did not want to know about me as an ordinary citizen. I went to the universities. I read to you the first reply that I had from a university, which was, “Oh no, it is not one of our priorities.” How do we change that?

Michael McMahon Lab The Convener · Uddingston and Bellshill
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I am trying to find a way of taking forward the petition and you are telling me not to do it.

Bill Welsh
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I am not telling you not to do it; I am just telling you my experience.

Michael McMahon Lab The Convener · Uddingston and Bellshill
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In that case, we will do it and see whether the committee gets a different response from that which a member of the public gets.

Jackson Carlaw Con West Scotland
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I have a couple of suggestions, convener. Mr Welsh supplied a graph that extrapolates the incidence of autism in the United Kingdom. Could we contact the department of health in the European Commission to find out what the emerging incidence is in other countries throughout the European Union to see whether it is part of a similar pattern? That may or may not validate through different means the suggestion about extended diagnosis. If it is related in some way to the vaccine, the trend ought to be absolutely parallel and not unique.

I notice that the petitioner submitted a petition in March 2000, following which there was an expert group that concluded that there was insufficient evidence to support the hypothesised link between the MMR vaccine and autism. I know that it has been a subject of public discussion and concern over the years. That was around 16 years ago. I would be interested to know from the Scottish Government whether it has sought to establish at any point whether there is any further evidence or information that would allow a second expert group to consider the matter afresh or whether current practice simply relies on the views that were taken at the earlier point.

Michael McMahon Lab The Convener · Uddingston and Bellshill
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Those are legitimate questions to ask of the Government. Are there any other suggestions?

Ken Macintosh Lab Eastwood
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I am not sure whether I am allowed to make suggestions.

Ken Macintosh Lab Eastwood
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I suggest that, rather than simply asking for the views of the chief scientist and the Government for or against one hypothesis, we ask them what they are doing about the rise in the prevalence of regressive autism and to say specifically whether they believe that the rise can be explained entirely by better diagnosis. Further, not to question a link with MMR—Bill Welsh’s hypothesis—we should ask whether they are conducting or considering any research into the matter.

Michael McMahon Lab The Convener · Uddingston and Bellshill
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It is entirely legitimate to ask the question.

Jackson Carlaw Con West Scotland
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It is probably also worth asking the Department of Health, as well as the Scottish Government health directorate.

Michael McMahon Lab The Convener · Uddingston and Bellshill
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Yes.

We need to ask a series of questions in relation to the issue that you have brought to us, Mr Welsh. Thank you very much for bringing your petition to the committee. We will collate the responses that we get and send them to you. You will be able to comment on them and we will take the petition forward once we have gathered all that information.

Bill Welsh
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Thank you very much for inviting me.

Michael McMahon Lab The Convener · Uddingston and Bellshill
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I suspend the meeting for a couple of minutes.

11:55 Meeting suspended.

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